By - Memer69ray
This is so true, it's so hard to push him without starpower or at least gadget, I got Surge from the brawl pass, but I only got his gadget like.. Few weeks ago.😅
Even a gadget isnt not enough for Surge
hes still playable without serve ice cold, but it definitely is important to his kit
No, I have rank 25 bibi and I had Power 7 without gadget.
u r built different ig
I got Surge like a few days after Season 3 started
I have surge no star power and gadget at rank 22. It was pretty hard to push him though.
I actually bought his gadget, and his sp becuas I was so hooked to him.
THE only brawler who needs a minimum of a gadget to be playable
Sooo true, I didn't like him after unlocking him.
But its been a different story after getting his gadget, now I am a surge main, and he's my only rank 25.
Hi im a mortis main and i hate you :)
A fellow player who get annoyed when Surge activates his Super and knocked back lol
You forgor the TP
Its free real estate
I can actually predict a surge teleport, unless it's in a Bush than I understand you
99% of surges are more predicable then new players with the tps. sometimes i just know they will tp on me and kill me so i just give up and stop resisting
If the surge hits once somehow no need to predict cuz it will come true in matter of a second. And they always have the super when they TP so yea i have to run which is useless i will die to another surge anyway
hello fellow surge main i also have surge as my only rank 25 and i hate assasins
Honestly he needs some sort of rework, he’s too dependent on his gadget mostly
Surge: Looks like I missed my gadget
They should just buff him and nerf the gadget
Surge definitely needs a buff or improvements like new gadget? Or nerf him or buff?
Teleport go brrrrrrrr
Yeah I've seen some sweats without Collette maxed her sp and gadget just makes her better especially since shield sucks p1 btw
And my friend has a r30 piper pwr 1, what's your point. The brawler sucks with star power and gadgets without them she's just useless. Can barely kill tanks. r20 is easy
I mean any brawler can be pushed far with enough skill or carries so high trophies p1 brawlers aren't indicators of how good a brawler is. It doesn't matter if I'm better or worse, but I can assure you pushing a low level colette is infinitely harder than most brawlers (because star powers and gadget are the only good things about her kit)
And yes piper is much easier to push than colette, but it was my friend who did it.
Im trying to get Colette to r25… not doing to good… (i want her to be my first r25)
I’ve got tips for you to get Colette to Rank 34, the largest grind til Rank 35. If you want more, look up Colette-
Hol’ da fuq up…
You're lucky it isnt a *rule* in this Reddit
Happy cake day
I got her rank 26 in solo try there perhaps with her first star power
Try pushing her in Kaboom Canyon or Safe Zone, she can pair really well with Byron too. You'll get r25 on her in no time
Thanks for the advice, but uh… what game mode are those? (sorry im a bit stupid)
Oh. wait, heist? I never played Colette in heist…
Heist is Colletes best gamemode. You have to try to cycle supers and use these on the safe.
Oh, I didn’t know that
Carl. I mean he's still useless even with power throw but without it he is unplayable
Mr. P...... prove me wrong
Mr. P stands for Mr. Prove me wrong. Makes you think.
Oh it's not Peice of sh**?
Maybe. Basically any word that starts with P will do.
So… mr p*rn?
Basically the CEO of [REDACTED]
No thats Mr. Pornies
Oh hey its you again how are you everywhere?
mr p still exists?
Loved mr p from start but don't know how they made him shit recently.
Yeah that's also a reason.
Yeah he sucks without them his shields I mean porters are more viable since literally any rushing brawler that doesn't run can kill him from max to buzz
Mortis he needs a gadget to do more damage/attacks and he can't go aggro without a sp plus he only wins games low lvl due to hiding or trolling by trying not to take damage :/ to specify I mean literally not taking any damage and letting your teamate do all the attacking using your dash for Only getting away I'm mainly talking about mortis getting second or less in solo power 1 or that one guy who got the first p1 mortis rank 35 I think bc he kept troll/juking players which It may have felt like trolling for the losers it was skill but he couldn't go aggro
Mortis without SP now also has the longer dash, which allows him to go aggro with ease. And yes, every brawler often tries not to take damage, that’s not trolling, that’s literally something everyone should be doing.
Mortis without gadget does 3700 damage in a burst, then just has to wait for 2.4 seconds until he dies or gets to attack again.
If he gets knocked back or slowed he's dead
Wdym 3700 damage on power one L
if that was what actually happens I would have gotten rank 25 mortis two years ago
no that's on power 9. 1260*3
Mortis is fine without gadget or sp, you just gotta be more selective when you attack someone - a mortis main
Avoiding damage is the opposite of trolling
Surge, mortis, edgar
Edgar can't beat sandy without them but I wouldn't say you can't win a solo game or a heist game without his sp and gadget as long as he is leveled
Maybe surge and Edgar, but mortis is fine without being power 10.
I disagree. Her knock back ability, base health and damage, and movement speed is nice enough.
Yeah, I agree with your disagree. Bibi is great. I am a Home Run lover.
The only people that find her "useless" without SP are the ones bush camping to R30 with batting stance.
Yeah honestly I find her gadget pretty bad (it’s probably partially my poor timing) but either I activate it and then I’m dead or I activate but then nothing is hurting me so it was pointless
That’s a good point I agree. Her gadget doesn’t provide the quick enough or large enough healing per second.
Bruh 💀 power 11 bibi and ya cant get past 800
!RemindMe 1 month
Lets see if you get rank 30 lol
Idk I got her to 600 trophies without the gadget. The gadget didn’t change much
Edit: crow between gale and piper(can't believe I forgot him), piper9 brock10
Supercell should do the same thing they did to mortis' coiled snake and Darryl's steel hoops to Colette's push it
She is sooo trash without it
I completely agree
Gale would still be okay i mean.
Mortis maybe. But Surge are really useless without. Also Crow
Not crow crow is mainly weak without sp and gadget mainly due to low damage and health (in level aspect) but his slow is rly good so I'd say debatable because he is overpowered in some aspects
long range + preventing brawlers from healing makes him a decent brawler without gadget or sp.
as a crow main id say that he's overall great, esp the super and poison. however, his shield gadget is really underwhelming, and his damage output is quite low although his utility is really high. Both his star powers are not bad and are quite useful. Overall, id say he can be balanced through less poison dmg per tick but being able to stack poison like byron to charge his super easier. i think this way he doesn't lose his main utility to prevent healing bu also doesn't become massively overpowered while being buffed at the same time
I know, Crow is great but his kit (gadjet and sp) really makes him better. I agree with you
Yes, but in high trophie level, Crow power 9 without sp or gadget is good but not the best. But with his kit, he became really strong. But you're not wrong
No, he's just a bad brawler overall
I word it worng, he's a little below average in some maps and throphy ranges
He's actually very *useful*. Not good, yeah. But *useful*. That's why he was used so much in the World Finals.
I feel like Ruffs is one of the brawlers that’s too balanced.
His star power that increases fellow Brawlers' max HP helps A LOT in the Boss Battle event, where brawlers can just camp by Ruffs and eventually gain 10k hp
He’s only bad if his teammates are bad. If his teammates are good, then he’s top 10.
100% Edgar and Mortis
Edgar overpowered anyways damm near no brawler can beat him
Surge. One of the most OP brawlers when leveled up during the game but needs extras.
Bibi. Useless without gadgets, not much better with them
Mr P. Weak overall, decent buff on correct maps and game types with extras.
Surge without his gadget is trash. With his gadget, he's broken
Now that's what i call a bad brawler design
I would say surge
Griff is basically unplayable without his first sp
his supers good
That's not true, I use him all the time with second so and he functions well
But first SP is very very welcome
Very true. He gets a ton of value out of 1st SP - he attacks faster (unload speed buff) which improves his burst, and the unpoad buff also indirectly buffs his reload (due reloading being slower when mid-attack).
2nd helps a bit, but 1st provides more value overall and gives him an advantage in 1v1s and also in the long-term to the extent that 2nd does not possess.
Yep, without Circling Eagle or even his totem, he's just dead weight
Tara she’s just bad without it
I personally love Tara and I barely use her gadget or sp, though the help from beyond gadget is very useful sometimes
doubt. The only reason i lose to that gambit ripoff is because she spams her gadget as soon as she takes 1hp of damage
Other then surge, stu gaso heal is so broken and zero drag is good to, breakthrough is great in showdown while speed zone helps u alot in 3v3 especially in seige
Literally every legendary brawler
Meg can use the mech to apply pressure, amber and spike do a duck ton of damage, and sandy has utility with his super
Also meg and sandy star powers are insane
Amber is the only one that can be good without sp
Wait you just said spike is good without sp?
Not good.. but not bad either
Sounds like what the art teacher said to the little German boy-
After he made an art with gasoline
the big issue with spike is spike’s health, but that’s balanced out with high burst damage when close to spike. Even at long range, spike has decent damage. The star power either changes the direction of the spikes in his attack or improves spike’s sustainability.
Dynamike, he needs his stun gadget to kill mortis and tanks
the mortis would have to be either really trash or out of ammo to get stunned
You can brain the mortis by pretend to dynajump one side but go the other side.
Dynajump is too underestimated, it's just that you have to be experienced to use it well
luckily for dyna, he just needs to avoid 1 shot for the mortis to be out of ammo for 2.4 seconds
Edgar only got meta because of fisticuffs
His star powers dont help much, its because of his 2nd gadget (Hardcore)
Bibi? Really... Her gadget and starpowers aren't that good or anything, it's just a little bit of healing and some speed
Do tou have any idea how much "little healing" Actually do? And any kind of a speed bonus on a close range brawler is really strong
Either surge or Leon (that invisiheal and lollipop go brrr)
Noooo it’s lou
Surge is a MAIN GADGET!
Edgar, he is useless without his "Let's fly" gadget
nita and tara both
Mr.p without the range sp lol
Mr P, I had an easier time pushing Colette to Rank 25 than I had to push him to 15, Once you get his stuff he is a lot better, but still unfun to play.
the worst without gadget or star power is carl, and even with his star powers and gadgets is carl the worst brawler, but no, they keep nerfing carl, the poor thing is already more than dead in the meta
I think Colette takes the cake here
Jackie, wait she is useless even with the star power
Nita. Her bear is great but the gadgets and star powers all make the bear stronger and better.
A teenager without an iPhone (gadget) and a WiFi (starpower).
Iphone? I guess i hate gadgets
Gaming chair (gear)
Shelly relies heavily on Clay Pigeons and Band-Aid
No she doesnt, dont use band aid
Leon and to a lesser extent Spike
Edgar, one hundred fucking percent, he is prob the worst designed brawler ever gameplay-wise, his range and HP is so low that you need to have a passive super charge AND a gadget that fills his super cause he can't do it himself, even pre-trait el primo can charge his super. His range and HP is so shit that he needed passive lifesteal cause you can literally walk backwards and he'll be losing 3/4th of his HP just to reach you if he misses or just outright die.
There is a reason why he was a free brawler upon release.
second is bull 🐂
bull is good without gadget or sp just hard without second gadget
third is shit 💩
Hmmm this is hard id sayyyy crow cause of his slow gadget
imo crow is pretty sustainable without his star powers or gadgets. crow is rlly efficient in decaying the enemy’s health
True, I got him to Rank 20 in 2 days at Power 1, he's pretty ok even without gadgets and Starpowers.
Thats in solo showdown and duels but in 3v3 games he is useless without the slow gadget cause when he slows an entire enemy team then GG
there’s so many ways to counter crow’s slow gadget. Also, you’re looking at his poison too utility-wise. It’s not always about slowing the enemy. If you have a good teammate, you can use crow to drain the health of the enemies and your teammate can kill them. Simple.
I used to main crow way before he even had gadgets, and i can tell you that his playstyle changed the moment his gadget came out.
He’s a very flexible hero and it doesn’t matter which mode you play. It matters more on the map.
YES I HATE THE 4 SECOND SLOW but he can still win without his sp as long as nobody touches him but yeah it's sooo debatable bc of slow
Is it sad to say squeaks is kinda the same
Leon is still viable w/o gadgets. Surge is lowkey unusable without gadget
I would disagree really. I think he is still very useful without them but I think his gadgets and star power make him op but he isn’t useless without them imo
He’s really useful for washing the dishes and taking out the trash.
And why it's Brock?
uhh ur wrong
its gotta be bull
Ruff is useless
Shelly, Bull, Brock, Bo, Penny, Carl, Piper, Bibi, Edgar, Mortis, Mr. P, Crow, Gale, Surge, Colette, Lou, Nita (maybe)
Shelly is useless without slow
Bull's super is unusable and actually puts him at a disavantage without the stomper gadget
Jessie is still good without starpowers
Brock's starpowers don't really change much outside of heist and solo showdown but his jump gadget is a must-have
Bo's circling eagle is the only gamechanger, and even that is highly situational, he used to have the totem but it sucks nowadays
Penny is so fucking awful man, she is useless on her own, all of her starpowers and gadgets focus on her mortar so she is completely vulnerable no matter what level she is
Carl is shit either way
Dunno about jacky
Piper is definitely useless without that pushback gadget, she is so reliant on her super without it that you can spawncamp her
Bibi is useful without gadgets imo, she is just not a good tank or a good assassin without them
Edgar's gadgets and starpowers are just boosts of his normal kit lmao, he is still viable without them, you just have to wait for that super
Mortis used to be useless without gadgets and sp, but now the long dash and the amount of squishy brawlers make his base form not too bad
Mr. P might even be worse than carl
Sprout's SP and gadgets don't give him anything that he is useless without
I agree with crow, he is too squishy
Gale? Eh, he is still viable and good at what he does without SP and Gadgets
Surge might be OP but his base form is truly unplayable
Colette is so goddamn boring
Lou? His SP and gadgets don't do anything significant
Nita definitely needs gadgets and starpowers