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Pub owner charged, fined $22k after allegedly allowing sit-in diners under lockdown

Pub owner charged, fined $22k after allegedly allowing sit-in diners under lockdown

flukus

> Mr Andrews posted to social media earlier this week saying he had "constitutional rights" that allowed him to open. Sounds like his lawyer is Denis Denuto.


thewavefixation

It’s the……vibe?


Yanigan

Funny you say that, I saw the post and he linked one of Denis’ YouTube videos


newtomelbs1234

“Someone put up a photo of me with Ned Kelly — I thought it was great” Tells you all you need to know.


sss133

I don’t really feel bad for him tbh. I get how hard this shit is (Im a sole trader and have lost quite a bit this last 18months) You’d have to be thick to go on the news saying you’re defying health orders and be surprised what happens. I get the regions probably felt this was a city thing but look at Mildura and Philip Island. I can happen. Plus if there were an outbreak there, the infrastructure in place would make things hard to deal with. Imagine if that pub caused a super spreader event. The bad press would do a lot of harm to business if it’s openly defying orders. It already has had effects on places that have had outbreaks. I also don’t like the chances of him taking the time to court.


joustingsticks

I am from/in Mildura. Within the space of literally half an hour we went from 18 months of general complacency (“why are we locked down when we haven’t had a case since March 2020?”) to a gridlocked testing site. Half hour is all it took for the entire region to see the news and work out that our false sense of security was just that. Now local doctors are reporting that their staunchest anti-vax patients are first in queue for the jab, and local Dictator Dan spouters have gone mysteriously silent.


sss133

I can imagine That’d be the case. It’s been a very different mood between LD4 and 5 around me. LD 4 was very much why Victoria again? What’s wrong with us? Etc. LD 5 we’ve seen it happen elsewhere and are much more understanding


wobblegobble84

The difference between 4 and 5 is night and day. I work in retail and I haven’t been abused and it’s been amazing. The last one was soul breaking. I’ve worked in retail in and off for 21yrs and never have I been yelled at or sworn at as much as 3 and 4. I actually told my boss I didn’t think I could handle another round. Mentally, there’s been nothing else like it.


Dangerman1967

I’m an anti Dan man. Whose town is regional and has been very similar to Mildura. And I haven’t changed my stance that a lot of the regional shutdowns were completely unnecessary. It was coming to Mildura eventually. Maybe this year, maybe next. But that doesn’t mean you needed to fully lock down for a year and a half UNTIL it got there. And guess what, you openly admit that when it got there there the town responded appropriately (just like Colac) and last I checked it hasn’t run rampant.


joustingsticks

What would be a more appropriate response to an outbreak like this? Something like what NSW has done?


Dangerman1967

No. My comment refers to the previous 18 months. The current lockdown its easy to argue the response is needed because you have the virus. I’m suggesting the previous ones were not always necessary as you were miles from the virus. You asked where we were. I’m still here. I maintain that great parts of regional lockdowns were unnecessary. Finally getting a case does not change my opinion. In fact, if my town got one it may start to justify being locked in my home.


joustingsticks

Our lockdowns were also not nearly as intense as that of Metro Melbourne. While we were absolutely frustrated that the state couldn’t be better segregated to allow for less restriction in other regions, it can also be argued that a) this would’ve taken considerable resources and b) you can’t stop people from taking one of many hundred dirt roads across state lines, let alone hastily built arbitrary borders. And what was to stop the virus from coming here at any of the previous lockdowns, besides dumb luck? If the virus hadn’t arrived at this lockdown, would the sentiment not be the same?


Dangerman1967

I agree we haven’t always been the same restrictions as Metro. I also agree it’s effectively impossible to put roadblocks up etc… But personally I believe that substantially came down to people abiding by the rules. I don’t believe the lockdowns have ever been able to be strictly policed. I went thru the ring of steel once and a mate told me not to bother as there was a back route. I didn’t need it though as it wasn’t peak and there was no hold up. But I think we’re at crossed wires. I don’t expect to keep the virus out. All I expect is if it does come we impose strict lockdowns. Yes, technically it could spread. I’d say that’s a risk worth taking because it’s coming one day anyway. This isn’t going away. Lastly, if we’re talking about movement between areas I’ll just add one point. Melbourne and Victoria are furious at Gladys for allowing her furniture removalists here. Fair point. But Colac got its outbreak from a fucking Melbourne meat inspector. Not a tourist. A fucking meat inspector. From Melbourne. In one of the industries we KNEW was high risk. So the ring of steel and closed borders are pointless if we’re still allowing the virus to cross them. Regional should’ve been level 2, maybe 3, learnt to be cautious, and if it came then level 4 and get rid of it. There was stacks of unnecessary economic pain in Regional Vic and lessening it would’ve been better for the State AND Melbourne as they could’ve spent more money there to recover.


zoetrope_

You seen to be ignoring that Mildura was already in lockdown when the man returned home. The fact that it "hasn't run rampant" could well be due to that. If Mildura had been exempt from lockdown prior to the arrival of covid who knows how much more the guy could have spread it.


Dangerman1967

Taken to the nth degree you do know where that comment goes. Lock down just in case. Fuck that.


zoetrope_

Sure, and if you take it to the 0th degree then we should never lockdown for any level of covid presence. Fuck that


Dangerman1967

Correct. So why not a tailored response. You do realise a lot of people ‘anti-lockdown’ aren’t completely anti them, even to stage 4. Many of us cannot see the sense in having stage 4 restrictions in for example, Wodonga, when Albury across the bridge may have zero restrictions. This nonsense that Covid somehow recognises state or LGA boundaries is ridiculous.


foul_ol_ron

>Imagine if that pub caused a super spreader event. I get the impression that the owner either wouldn't care, or be convinced that somehow, it wasn't their fault.


sss133

“We didn’t think it was here!” “We thought we were being Covid safe” “We didn’t realise how contagious it was” I live near the cbd so it’s be different because there’s a pub on every corner but if one opened up now and defied orders and caused an outbreak, apart from those few who went in they’d lose so much business


dustbunny90

He'll just crowd source the fine, and people that can't really afford to will donate to him and he'll effectively get off scott free, and probably do it again


LaughAtTheDark

He won't be getting it from many of the locals at all, widely we are ashamed and disappointed. His shitty behaviour has wider effects on the perception of our town, and as a result future tourism and business. To put aside the COVID risk on top of it that is. However, on that continuing to do it point I don't doubt you, or him sadly. I can say the police have been rolling past frequently, and to be honest there's enough of them to do so - currently our local area is swamped and honestly with considerations in the ability of their plate recognition tech that they are using, we are being hugely overpoliced and it's leading to growth in these attitudes. Having now been stopped 12+ times since lockdown, as a permitted worker within my 5kms anyway and in shopping for food within my 5kms, it feels more than a bit much.


rogvortex58

Wish I could go to the pub. Lockdown makes me want to drink.


OPTCgod

Bottle shops are still open.


El_dorado_au

> Mr Andrews posted to social media earlier this week saying he had "constitutional rights" that allowed him to open. When I read this paragraph I knew that it was a different Mr Andrews from the Premier. It’s not about human rights, it’s about human lives.


ComplexImportance794

There are character issues attached to holding the licenses/permit to own and run a pub. Blatantly refusing to follow legal directions under a state of emergency will not look good on his next renewal application.


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Jacko3000

Dude chill


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Dangerman1967

Racism. Lol. The users of this sub and others would usually be firmly against the sale of ports, farms and houses to the Chinese. Better save that comment for the next ‘unaffordable houses’ thread. There’ll be stacks of people you can call racist.


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Dangerman1967

Lol. I couldn’t help chiming in here but all I got was downvotes.


dontletmedaytrade

lol which part of that was racist? It was a remark about small businesses getting destroyed while Bunnings, McDonald’s, Amazon etc. have all come out of this better than before.


d1ngal1ng

Had a dig at diversity in the same sentence as bringing up the Chinese when they weren't even relevant to the discussion.


GeorgeHackenschmidt

Real estate is good. Real estate agents are not good. Likewise, diversity is good. Diversity managers are not good.


LocksmithAvailable90

It's important to note that this happened in Echuca - a rural town hundreds of kilometres away from any major city, and a town with zero active cases. Frankly, I don't think the owner of this country pub did anything wrong. He weighed up the risks and decided it was safe for his patrons.


yoooo__

Tonnes of people cross the NSW/Vic border at Echuca/Moama. Restrictions are in place for a reason. They just thought they were special.


inaum20

Mildura is over 500km from Melbourne… virus still made it there.


6ft5

Except he isn't a healthcare professional so can't do that. He doesn't get to make those decisions and clearly that's the law.


dontletmedaytrade

I love the assumption that a “healthcare professional”: a) actually knows what’s going on b) has our interests at the forefront of their decisions


butyoufuckonegerbil

Where does your info come from that makes it better than theirs?


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butyoufuckonegerbil

Are you saying they are letting the virus run free for their own profit?


dontletmedaytrade

My mum is a doctor. She admits she has no clue when it comes to this virus. Knowing your limitations is a strength.


dustbunny90

Doctors aren't epidemiologists or public health experts, but epidemiologists are doctors first then specialize, and public health is a field that people specifically study. Theses are the 'health professionals' that are making the recommendations, not random GPs...


butyoufuckonegerbil

In what way do you feel your mum doesn't have our interests at the forefront of her decisions?


paktsardines

> Knowing your limitations is a strength And yet here you are, trying to string together an argument.


6ft5

That's almost why people get into the healthcare infust, to help people...


Dangerman1967

Pffft. Lol. Doctors do medicine to help people! I’m not bagging doctors who are in general quite helpful, but that’s not WHY they do medicine. They do it’s coz they get the marks, it’s a respected profession and pays really well.


6ft5

Some doctors get in for the fame and money, but most do not. That's why NHS doctors and other public doctors get paid way less than private doctors yet still do public. It's nice that you, not a doctor, know why doctors get into the job, "coz they get the marks". JFC


Dangerman1967

Are you suggesting public doctors are poorly paid? Considering they don’t have the insurance costs and overheads of private practice? Not that it would matter regards this argument. By that stage they’ve done their lengthy training and need to find a job somewhere.


gurgefan

*Zero known cases. You know, like Mildura last week


GeorgeHackenschmidt

Must have been an out-of-towner dobbing him in, and out-of-town cops. Locals know better.


flukus

He posted on facebook, dobbing himself in.


6ft5

They're always looking for the bad guys, when it's themselves, the irony is great


Livlalalala

Haha!


loralailoralai

He was on the tv, I saw two separate stories on him. Nobody needed to dob


GeorgeHackenschmidt

Ah, so like that gym back in February. Determined to draw attention to himself. Not smart.