A short breakdown:
The Weapon is infused with Heavy Affinity which means it can be enchanted. Normally any fire enchant would dispel the frost build-up and vice versa, but using Ice spear still applies frost bite and still applies the black flame blade dps. Lastly, a single normal hit with black flame will dispel the frostbite status, allowing you to proc frostbite again immediately after.
"I wonder if.... Okay that didn't work, but maybe... What if... Perhaps... Oh, this seems to work"
*God slain*
-patch notes, this doesn't seem to work anymore-
Same can be done with the Ash of War: Gravitas, Beast Roar, Glintsone Pebble, Glinblade Phalanx even with Lightning Strike. Probably with any projectile or aoe ash of war
Yeah, I was messing around with blackflame since it casts very fast. But so far it's ice spear that seems most useful for me for that frostbite, and you can proc frost again thats the main kicker. The Glintblade Phalanx blackflame is a close second for me.
So the idea being cast bloodflame/blackflame and then using the ash of war applies the DoT too? With the bonus of blackflame removing the frost debuff?
How does the blackflame+gravitas work? I’m thinking of making a melee build that uses gravitas, but it’s rarely seen and I’m thinking it’s for good reason? 😂
Iirc, basically it dragged the enemy to your location (also disable flying enemies like birds) + Deal initial gravitas magic damage and then apply the blackflame hp% dots on enemy.
So basically an aoe version of black flame dots + Gravitas magic damage lol. Its pretty useful to deal serious damage to all the mobs around you since the blackflame also dots them, not to mention gravitas posture break.
FS nerfs when the see a problem, not when the PvP community complains. Relax. Stop pretending this shit isn't OP for PvE. It'll probably go unnoticed though because it requires a slightly more complex series of buttons other than just L2
Man is getting downvoted for speaking the truth.
Pve players want to rofl stomp the entire game with a single button press and when they can’t they blame people who actively keep the game alive?
Unsure why the game should be broken just so Johnny and tommy can play for a hundred hours and never touch it again
If I'm not mistaken, any damaging ash of war scales with the weapon level and how high the stat scaling you have with the weapon you use it with. Since I build str I just choose str for the raw damage, but I think higher arc will affect how much the frostbite proc/burst damage is, and higher faith will affect how much dps is dealt by the black flame.
Edit: Int scaling for increasing frostbite dmg.
Increasing stats will up the base damage of attack and spells but the % of damage from frostbite and black flames burn is a consistent value, a % of the enemies whole health.
Buildup is tied to Arcane IF the weapon gets arcane scaling. Otherwise buildup isn't even affected by Arcane IIRC. The damage on weapon skills are tied to whatever their base affinity is. I.E. frost and magic are primarily int, Heavy ones strength, etc etc. Tho it seems most spell schools get a small boost from dex, some get it from strength, then lightning is dex, fire gets no scaling, flame art gets faith etc. It's weird.
fires deadly sin and black flame procs together, if you just stand near they burn to death. possibly a bug. Not nearly as broken as bloodflame blade building up bleed. But it helps my mordekaiser cosplay
The weapon has to be a non elemental affinity i suppose so that you can buff it. But if you're asking if spectral lance can carry the enchantment of your weapon then yes.
Black flame blade and blood flame blade have a lot of symbiotic reactions with ashes of war. Some are definitely over tuned but this one seems fair as it's very strong in pve and fairly strong but easy to avoid in pvp.
I'm specced first into 80 str, and slowly adding points to faith till i reach 80 faith in lvl 200 or so and staying there. I was just really testing things out when I found this gem, should be really good on 80 faith and/or int.
Does this work with bloodflame too? I wish Black flame was up for as long as bloodflame is. Can this be achieved with Keen affinity too, for dex builds?
A short breakdown: The Weapon is infused with Heavy Affinity which means it can be enchanted. Normally any fire enchant would dispel the frost build-up and vice versa, but using Ice spear still applies frost bite and still applies the black flame blade dps. Lastly, a single normal hit with black flame will dispel the frostbite status, allowing you to proc frostbite again immediately after.
Oh yeah, it’s big brain time
How do you find stuff like this?
“Man it would be totally broken if…” “Yeah that’s totally broken.”
Experimentation, a lot of it. I have done this a lot in this spot and gate front with spells, buffs & catalysts.
"I wonder if.... Okay that didn't work, but maybe... What if... Perhaps... Oh, this seems to work" *God slain* -patch notes, this doesn't seem to work anymore-
You are now Blackflame Friede
So to dispel the frost buildup you need to do an regular melee hit of some kind. The blackflame DPS doesnt remove it?
damn, if only i was still playing id try this right away
Nice.
Sister Friede would be proud of this build.
Same can be done with the Ash of War: Gravitas, Beast Roar, Glintsone Pebble, Glinblade Phalanx even with Lightning Strike. Probably with any projectile or aoe ash of war
Blackflame gravity AoE? :o Yes please.
Yeah, I was messing around with blackflame since it casts very fast. But so far it's ice spear that seems most useful for me for that frostbite, and you can proc frost again thats the main kicker. The Glintblade Phalanx blackflame is a close second for me.
Can you do bloodflame blade with it? Building bleed and frost, and the fire off sets the frost
It should work, but the main advantage/trade off of black flame is that it has very fast cast animation but very low duration.
ok now i wanna try bloodflame with glintstone phalax
Literally had that exact thought!
Waves of Darkness should work as well.
Spectral lance too, and the bloodflame blade incantation.
So the idea being cast bloodflame/blackflame and then using the ash of war applies the DoT too? With the bonus of blackflame removing the frost debuff?
Blackflame have some serious synergy with ash of war. I always use blackflame + gravitas, blackflame + spinning weapon, blackflame + Storm assault.
How does the blackflame+gravitas work? I’m thinking of making a melee build that uses gravitas, but it’s rarely seen and I’m thinking it’s for good reason? 😂
Iirc, basically it dragged the enemy to your location (also disable flying enemies like birds) + Deal initial gravitas magic damage and then apply the blackflame hp% dots on enemy. So basically an aoe version of black flame dots + Gravitas magic damage lol. Its pretty useful to deal serious damage to all the mobs around you since the blackflame also dots them, not to mention gravitas posture break.
Don't tell the pvp players
Nah nah this stuff is actually fair and cool
FS nerfs when the see a problem, not when the PvP community complains. Relax. Stop pretending this shit isn't OP for PvE. It'll probably go unnoticed though because it requires a slightly more complex series of buttons other than just L2
Man is getting downvoted for speaking the truth. Pve players want to rofl stomp the entire game with a single button press and when they can’t they blame people who actively keep the game alive? Unsure why the game should be broken just so Johnny and tommy can play for a hundred hours and never touch it again
What does the ice spear damage itself scale with?
If I'm not mistaken, any damaging ash of war scales with the weapon level and how high the stat scaling you have with the weapon you use it with. Since I build str I just choose str for the raw damage, but I think higher arc will affect how much the frostbite proc/burst damage is, and higher faith will affect how much dps is dealt by the black flame. Edit: Int scaling for increasing frostbite dmg.
Increasing stats will up the base damage of attack and spells but the % of damage from frostbite and black flames burn is a consistent value, a % of the enemies whole health.
Black flame DPS does a flat percentage, around 2% per application
I think it's intelligence.
Oh you're right, i always thought procs damages were tied to arc, cheers.
Buildup is tied to Arcane IF the weapon gets arcane scaling. Otherwise buildup isn't even affected by Arcane IIRC. The damage on weapon skills are tied to whatever their base affinity is. I.E. frost and magic are primarily int, Heavy ones strength, etc etc. Tho it seems most spell schools get a small boost from dex, some get it from strength, then lightning is dex, fire gets no scaling, flame art gets faith etc. It's weird.
Name of spear? Im on NG+5 and still haven’t come across this weapon yet.
Nightrider glaive
Looks like a gargoyle axe
fires deadly sin and black flame procs together, if you just stand near they burn to death. possibly a bug. Not nearly as broken as bloodflame blade building up bleed. But it helps my mordekaiser cosplay
It makes FDS actually do damage atleast
Fire's Deadly Sin also still works with Bloodflame, frost, pretty much everything that wasn't specifically patched out it seems like.
Do you know if this works with spectral lance as well?
The weapon has to be a non elemental affinity i suppose so that you can buff it. But if you're asking if spectral lance can carry the enchantment of your weapon then yes.
Awesome thank you
thank you
What’s the red circles of symbols on the ground? That doesn’t look familiar at all
Bloodstains from players in your password group
Working as intended
Took a lot of hits to kill him. I'll stick with the bonk tactic
What is the weapon called? Liking the moveset!
Nightrider glaive
Thanks, thought so too!
Black flame blade and blood flame blade have a lot of symbiotic reactions with ashes of war. Some are definitely over tuned but this one seems fair as it's very strong in pve and fairly strong but easy to avoid in pvp.
This works with Thunderbolt too because that AoW wasn't good enough already apparently. 🙄
Billy, you're a genius. Go get laid. You've earned it.
I just wish Ice Spear had a bit more range, because whenever I'm at a distance and use it, it misses.
So, you run this a strength build, but with just enough faith to cast the weapon buff, is that correct?
I'm specced first into 80 str, and slowly adding points to faith till i reach 80 faith in lvl 200 or so and staying there. I was just really testing things out when I found this gem, should be really good on 80 faith and/or int.
Ice spear carried me up ng+5 with ease, using godskin peeler.
Does this work with bloodflame too? I wish Black flame was up for as long as bloodflame is. Can this be achieved with Keen affinity too, for dex builds?
Yes and yes. I personally like bloodflame Glintblade Phalanx.