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For future reference — the safest and most effective way to separate dogs that are fighting is to choke them out. Leash, collar, rope, belt etc, put it high up on the neck behind their ears and lift. You don’t need to be forceful, let gravity and their body weight do the work.
In the working and sport dog world we call this a hard out, and use it when a dog doesn’t have a verbal out.
Hitting them, using the hose, wheelbarrowing, sticking something in their butts, don’t work and have a higher incidence of the dog redirecting or causing even more damage to what it’s already biting.
Dog professionals: I can't emphasize this enough, the choke is the most efficient and safest way to separate a dog.
Everyone else: Believes and shares methods that have a high rate of failure.
Can we please get to a stage in society where we do the proper research before sticking firmly to a stance? Grab collar, twist, lift. If a dog could be deterred by hitting, kicking, fingering their butthole then it'd just undermine the entire idea of a fight. Dogs get injured in fights, yet do they stop? Pain isn't a solution.
Reading comprehension and common sense is pretty important too. Obviously you have to use whatever method feels the safest for the situation. /u/leac1801 specifically mentioned *separating* fighting dogs. i.e.: they are locked together and need to be physically separated. If you can't get into a position where you can choke it out, then try to deter it some other way.
I carry a cane and mace for this reason. I’ve used the cane. I’ve choked my dog and others to keep everyone safe. And it’s only holding until you feel them let go, and then can safely remove them from the situation.
Also making yourself big and a deep voice yelling “NO” has worked well for me. I’m a medium size woman with a giant reactive pup and live in a city that isn’t the best about off leash issue. We’ve learned things the hard away.
You can choke a dog out with a modified rear naked choke. A collar or leash is much preferred, but you don’t *have* to have anything to do it effectively
I usually prefer to dive on the bigger dog at the shoulder area and take the other one down too and pin that by yhe neck until they calm the heck down or someone else comes and helps separate them. Same kinda deal though I guess
[That’s how you get fucked up.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MedicalGore/comments/104bsc8/dog_bite_breaking_up_a_dog_fight_update_from_left/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Don’t put your face anywhere near the bitey bits. I fell on top of a dog fight on Dec 24th that happened at my feet and swept my legs.
More accurately, that's how YOU got fucked up. I'm like 10 out of 12 with it and that's cause I missed the neck grab and my hand ended up in a mouth. (🤦♂️)
Edit: posting my reply
"I've worked with a bully rescue since 2014 bringing "broken" dogs from California/Texas/Nevada/Arizona up to Canada. More often than not, anyone with ANY legitimate experience can recognize the signs of a stressed/anxious dog and remove them from the situation. It's no surprise that /u/rossionq1 doesn't know those signs and thusly has more fights on his hands because he trains police dogs.
Which are trained to have the exact characteristics that I train out of dogs.
To each their own. But I'd say his staggering amount of dog fights under his care compared to mine speaks to our abilities. "
Make your own decisions. I train dogs to be nice, he trains police dogs to be unhinged, violent dogs that need a pry bar to get off with no re-call
Hmmmm
I’m a professional dog trainer, and train as well as breed dogs for working homes, primarily police and competition. I’ve broken up orders of magnitude more dog fights than 12. I know some things about dogs
Several decades, 1000’s of dogs. Majority being working GSDs, mals, dutchies. It adds up. But I’m still learning. More than happy to take whatever I can glean from your 12 dog experience, so please share. I’m not being sarcastic
I’m seriously asking you to share your experience. Whether it’s something I’ll incorporate into my toolbox or something I learn not to do, it’s a win win and of value to me regardless. That being said, I apparently missed the joke. what part was just a joke?
Just cause it worked for one person in a video doesn't mean it is a reliable way to do it. Dog could just get surprised and in the heat of the moment attack who is doing that.
I've actually had some one say when I complained about people's unleashed dogs rushing at my dog to carry a stick and point it at their nose. that way if they ignore the threat you can bap them on their nose and that usually works.
luckily never had to try it but pointing the stick did seem to work to keep them from trying.
You linking a video of, presumably, someone fingering a dog to get it to stop attacking is, frankly, some surreal shit. I refuse to click that link, and my final statement on this is that it's fucking *weird* if your first thought to stop a dog attack is "I need to finger it's asshole".
One video doesn't mean it is a reliable way to seperate them. I mean I've yelled at my dog to come back when she rushed to go play with a dog who was obviously not friendly and she did come back... I still wouldn't recommend relying on that (I was being careless and had unleashed her at my door before I went inside and the guy happened to walk by just when that happened).
No it doesn't. A finger up the ass doesn't work. The woman turned around and punched me in the face for putting my finger up her ass while her dog was biting my kid.
Damn didn't think of that. Going to walk my kid tomorrow and pay him an ice cream to agitate the dog until he is bitten. I will try 2 in front also to shock her. I will let everyone know how it goes.
I’m confused on why shoving something in its ass would even be a strategy considered in this scenario, the other things yeah but putting something in an angry dogs ass sounds like asking to get mauled.
This idiot literally train dogs in bitesports. The only way that works 100% of the time is choking them out. They can’t bite if they can’t breathe, can they ? That’s why we use it when a dog doesn’t have a verbal command.
How is it a greater danger ? You are controlling the dogs head, as well as how much oxygen it’s receiving, instead of being at its ass where it can whip around and redirect its bite.
No shit, but the dog can't do anything if it can't breathe and it only takes a few seconds to knock them out completely. It shouldn't ever come to that but it's the safest way to break up a fight.
A water hose in the face works well and is safer than trying to choke a dog. In fact I would not recommend getting any part of your body near the dogs head, they are quicker than you. This is a personal choice on method but please remember when a dog is in in a fight of flight position they may not realize who is grabbing them and will turn on you before you can blink. Good luck and hope you never have to break up a dog fight.
No. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen someone try to use a hose and the dogs completely ignore it and keep going. And where are you going to get a hose at the park ?
Choking a dog regains control, and you are much less likely to be bit this way. I train in bitesports, we use this method when dogs don’t have a verbal out, on very highly aroused and aggressive dogs, and I’ve never seen nor heard of someone getting bit this way.
I’ve had to break up many fights that both do and don’t involve my dogs and do the same thing, and have never once come close to being bit. It shuts a fight down pretty quickly and control is regained, instead of people just yanking and trying to find something to hit dogs with, prolonging the fight, increasing arousal and just making the whole situation worse.
I'm not a trainer but a groomer and we use slip leads specifically for this reason if there's ever another dog around. We never want it to come to that but it's the most effective way to safely stop a fight.
Yikes. It’s so strange when you see the fat come out of wounds like that.
About 15 years ago something similar happened to me. I was walking my 3 month old puppy and we were attacked by a Saint Bernard that was loose. It picked my puppy up, I was fighting the dog to get my puppy back and it let go of it’s grip and bit the back of both of my triceps. One arm only had puncture wounds while the other one had a flap of skin just hanging off of it. It was a bad situation. No doctor in the ER wanted to touch it so they had to call a plastic surgeon in to fix it. It left about an 8” scar.
Yes. The attack was bad. There was a neighbor that came out when they heard me screaming for help and he had to beat the dog off of me with a broomstick.
The owner came out not too long after and claimed the dog wouldn’t hurt a fly 🙄
The local SPCA brought on a criminal lawsuit against them for harboring a vicious animal and added all these stipulations onto them until we had our day in court. The owners totally violated the rules and stated several times that the dog was fine and was playing nice with the neighborhood kids. Like, wtf… they let that damn dog around young kids. Anyway, owners were found guilty. Ordered to pay a yearly fine to register their dog as a dangerous animal and to also fence in their property. Fence was never done and I doubt they paid the fines.
I sued them in civil court, won. (Small amount, pretty much paid my medical bills)
To answer some questions: Bear in mind this isn't my animal or family, but rather that of a close friend so details are still not clear to me yet.
The breed of dog is some sort of mix - mostly Rottweiler. Sorry to all those hoping for a pittie.
The dog was subsequently put down for safety reasons.
Swabs for rabies and other similar afflictions came back negative.
Luckily there were no children involved. I am aware of the controversies surrounding dog attacks and will do my best to navigate it thoughtfully.
Thanks for the interactions
Typically rabies isn't done as a swab test. There's no known, easy test for rabies. Chances are they confirmed no rabies only because the dog was euthanized and an examination of the remains/brain occurred. (I will spare the details as they are grim in case this animal meant something to you/yours.)
If an animal is not euthanized but has bitten a person (and its reported) it goes into bite case quarantine which is effectively a boarding period where it's observed for signs.
I'm mentioning this because I don't want misinformation about rabies being something you can just..swab for being circulated. While there are things you can attempt, it's a lot of tests and generally not worth it if the animal is euthanized.
The only accurate ways of verifying if an animal is rabid is after death. Or if symptoms begin to display.
They probably did it asap given the severity of injuries, to ensure no human lives were exposed.
While it's been a few years I worked for a humane society and am also a bite victim (yay) but also did euthanasia and we had specific procedures if there was a bite case.
When I was a vet tech, I handled a couple of calls from owners asking for a blood test or swab test for rabies. They were pretty shocked when I told them that that's not how testing for rabies is done and explained the actual procedure to them.
I'm in grad school for anatomical pathology now and even my cohort didn't know how we tested for rabies. There were a lot of shocked faces in the room.
It's mostly a matter of ratios. Per capita rotts might be more aggressive than pits, but there are way, way more pits, so the chances of encountering a hostile one are higher.
I own a rottie.
First. My dog, who I love with my whole heart, would be dead if this happened.
When it comes to bites with injuries, small dogs take the lead.
For sever injury it’s like 60/40 pitts/Rotties.
For fatalities it’s 68% pitts and 11% Rotties.
The data is skewed because a pit bull is a set of features that can be found with a variety of combinations. Rottweilers are Rottweilers.
Anyone that has a dog like these must treat them with an over abundance of precautions. And anyone saying “never my dog” is naive.
Great comment… I had an Italian Spinone who are HPR dogs, they are generally wonderful calm soft mouthed all children, dog n human loving and goofy.. my girl was an exception to the rule.. she hated kids. Never keen on other dogs n was choosy over humans. Daddy was her human. Me not so much. I had to watch her EVERYWHERE we went. To keep her safe and others. 1 bite n she would have gone to the vet.
Nature took its course n she passed at nearly 10. Dogs are dogs.. they all have that potential.
As someone who was mauled by a pitty - my least favorite dog are daschunds. Bitey little bastards.
But seriously, pits are a product of their environment and what we have bred them to be.
That said, more badly bred and badly trained weiner dogs have tried to bite me than anything else. I've also been bit, shat and peed on all simultaneously by a daschund whom I was simply trying to hold for an exam.
The pitty who mauled me was absolutely not at fault for *why* she did. But the lack of resources and bad management to ensure what happened didn't happen was to blame. Fortunately I was well equipped to endure the attack - jeans and a heavy canvas jacket. Or my arms would have been worse than OP's friend. Probably would have looked more like someone stuck them through a spiralizer.
Do I think we need better laws about animal care, breeding snd welfare? Absolutely. But I don't believe it needs to be specific to pitties and I'm considerably more afraid of small dogs acting erratically than I am most big meat head dogs.
A small dog can still rip your cheek out. Or mutilate a hand.
I’m a vet so I obviously see dogs that are nervous and often times show aggression at the vets and it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re aggressive dogs; but I’ve never seen an aggressive pitbull and 90% of the Rottweilers I see are aggressive. I immediately muzzle them, I don’t trust them one bit
I bring mine in already muzzled. She’s never been aggressive for the vets, but afraid dogs react in afraid ways. My Vet was like “she’s fine” and I agree. But I also won’t play any foolish games.
As a side note. My dogs aren’t aggressive to her. My cat fucked her up. Lizzie is mean.
I mean they are inherently quite large and intimidating dogs to begin with. I could never😅. Interesting that you have to muzzle the majority of them. Appreciate your sharing
I don't like to make any breed sound bad cause in the end just cause a dog is a certain breed doesn't mean it is going to be a bad dog... but yes, I've met quite a few questionable rotties (way more than I've met aggressive pitbulls, in fact I'm not sure i"ve met an aggressive pitbull... and I've met a few scary rotties <- worked at a pet store for years). Granted I've also met really sweet rotties too, but I'd say from my own personal experiences I'd say rotties deserve the rep more than pits do. But I still don't think it's right to label a dog bad just cause the breed (For one thing correlation /= causation. Could be the type person that breed attracts for one).
I can totally agree with that. I won't say breed doesn't totally factor but I do think environment factors more. In fact off the top of my head the rotties i met that were questionable also ahd questionable owners. one kinda smirked when he told me it was ok to pet his dog (who then bark/snarled at me) and anotehr was telling epople it was ok but his dog was definitely not ok with it (it was more a scared reaction but the dog would act happy at first until you got too close and then it would freak out as it realized it was not ok as it thought about strangers petting it... you could see it realize it was scared as you got close). And most pit owners I've met seem to be pretty good with their dog (I mean with their rep you kinda have to be). I probably have not seen the type pit owners who give hte dogs a bad name cause in general they aren't taking them to a pet store to show off (saw one at a beach who Ic ould tell was not pleased I was calling his pit puppy cute.. he did not want that kidn of image from his dog <- and honestly I think if you have a dog to portray a tough guy image you really shouldn't have a dog).
I was not hoping for a pittie and I'm annoyed at people who are (that already shows bias that they want to just have more confirmation bias to be against all pitties).
I kinda feel bad for the dog. One bite from being seperated from a dog fight doesn't necessarily mean they are aggressive (of course i don't know the dog and there could be other reasons). As I replied to your post I knew some one's dog who bit her father when it got into a fight. That dog usually was normally a sweet and non aggressive even to dogs dog (I had an agressive dog and he would ignore my dog when my dog would try to start a fight, my dog at the time on the other hand was a PITA and pretty dog aggressive. Years later my dog got out fo his fence, into some one else's yard, and bit a chunk off their dog's ear to give you perspective). He just was in the heat of the moment and not "seeing clearly". That happens and I would not hold a dog biting some one who seperated them in a fight as proof they are aggressive.
Wasn’t my dog and it is a very well known phenomenon that if a dog is fighting they could easily get anyone who comes in the crossfire. It’s why you aren’t supposed to seperate dogs who are fighting by hand. Any dog knowledgeable person can tell you this.
My dog at the time was dog aggressive (which doesn’t mean it is people aggressive).
You sound like some one who knows nothing of dogs.
I hope the owners of the dog your dog mauled sued the shit out of you. You sound like a careless pit owner. The excuses you’re making for having a violent dog are typical of inexperienced, virtue signaling pit owners.
Ah. Bias shows it’s ugly head. Funny how you instantly thought and was certain it was a pit. That dog was a golden retriever and it was my parent’s dog (he even tried to fight a rottie once and I’ll admit it was my bad there cause I thought it was an ok idea to take him to a pet store). And if you notice, it wasn’t just our fence he got through. He was pretty bad about being able to “jump” fences. And he’s why I never want a dog aggressive dog again. And I’ll say I’d didn’t fully agree with how my parents took care of the dog but to be fair to them he was really smart about getting out of fences. It’s not like they were letting him roam free at the time. These days they at least smartened up but they have not had a problem dog like him since.
Oh, and btw my friend’s dog who bit her father was also a golden. And as I said otherwise he was a very even tempered dog. But dog knowledgeable people will tell you you don’t seperate fighting dogs by hand because they don’t always seperate who they are attacking at that point. In fact pits are known for being different because their sad history as fighting dogs the people fighting them bred them to not attack when pulled away. But I definitely still wouldn’t chance it.
Dog aggressive and human aggressive are two different things. Dog aggressive dogs won't all redirect to the person, that's a huge red flag.
That said, read the title again. This was not a dog fight.
I agree dog aggressive dogs are not people aggressive dogs. But dogs fighting each other have been known to redirect their anger if some one tries to interrupt and that is not people aggression either. It’s why it is stupid to use your hands to stop a dog fight. The dog I know of who bit his owner when interrupted from a fight was normally a very even tempered dog. Even ignored my dog aggressive dog who was always trying to start a fight with him (he didn’t give my dog the time of day while my dog would be snarling and pulling at the leash trying to get at him).
Whaa, a dog selectively bred for bull baiting and rat baiting, who infact involve to have strong attacking incstinct and determination is a very nice and not capable of one day triggering the 250 years of breeding for mauling incstinct?
Forgive the sarcasm. But it is the likely candidate. Especially how easily available they are to every idiot out there who like to keep their dog free roaming and untrained
This is the same post, btw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MedicalGore/comments/113syft/dog_bite_a_friends_father_attempted_to_dislodge/j8tbust?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I hate seeing animals being abused or hit but if a dog is attacking someone i would choke, kick, punch. Stick my fingers right into its eyes. And although i would hate having to physically hurt an animal and it would break my heart but in the moment if it’s attacking someone or myself im gonna fight and protect.
Someone i know had a small dog and some guy had his big dog off leash and she was walking it and the guys dog ran and mauled her small dog to death, thrashing it around the place it was horrific. I was a small kid at the time it happened but now i would admit i would put the dog down myself if i seen it doing that.
Sometimes i think killing the attacking dog is the only way sometimes to stop it.
I hope the wound heals and is free from infection
When I was young I also had a friend whose father got bit by their own dog the same way. When dogs get into it, they don't always see who they are attacking (why it is best not to seperate them by hand...as your friend's father found out and I learned from my friend's cautionary tale).
It. Will. Not. Work.
There are so many videos of people doing that, and it makes things worse. The dog just fully keeps their jaws clamped.
Best way: choking them, unlike sticking something up their ass they won't turn around and bite you, they will just get weak due to lack of oxygen and cease to attack
This is the dumbest fucking way to break up a dog fight. That dog is going to turn on you and guess whose in bite range now? Balancing on their front legs lmao that dog is in fight mode, it will curl back up around like a dogfish and bite you in the face.
If the dog doesn't let go, you need to choke them out.
No this is listed multiple places as a way to break up fights. Have done it with housemates dogs when they would get in a tiff about something. Pick up the back legs as high as you can while walking backwards. I picked them up completely off the ground. If 2 people the each take a dog and pull back in different directions.
Curious to know the background of this. Like, how it happened and what breed it was. Was animal control called after that? Or are the owners still keeping the dog?
Could you tell me about how much pain you’re feeling? I know a knife cut hurts like hell but this looks far worse. Does this feel like a 9 of 10 pain level?
That's a weird question. You can probably just imagine it hurts a lot. Not like he has many measurements to take from. If this is the worst wound he's had that's probably gonna be a 10. Pain is subjective his 10 could be yours 3.
Thanks, that is a meaningless explanation.
1) for saying pain is subjective. Who doesn’t know that?
2) you’re not him, so you’re just imagining his pain as much as I am.
My guy he won't be able to explain it. Like what can he say. Yeah it hurt a lot. Like tf. It looks like it hurts. It most definetely did.
Him giving you a number is meaningless. It won't mean much. Since his 10 could be your 3.
The point being your question really is pointless.
No, my question is not about putting his pain on a scale. But that is what doctors always do isn’t it?
Again, my question is not aimed at you, because you’re just giving answers that I could give myself.
Think of reading any post on anxiety, frustration, revenge. There’s always nuance in experiences that others overlook. Every feeling is subjective, that’s why explanations are useful.
For example, this wound looks horrid. Yet he is still able to take a couple of photos with his other hand (assuming he could). Did he have painkillers, or was it bearable? It looks like it would hurt like holy fucking hell, and I’d imagine I might pass out from the pain. Did he? Or, does it look worse than it looks? I can’t tell from the picture. I doubt you can, too.
>But that is what doctors always do isn’t it?
Yes doctors. Which do it so they know if the should administer painkillers for the patients comfort. Or to check if there may be hidden damage.
I just don't understand why you specifically are asking. You gain nothing. And you don't know him. Idk feels like a weird question.
But I may also be the weird one. It's just this a medical gore subreddit. If you asked everyone how much it hurt you would be commenting a lot.
I do carry a gun like an adult. I’m also an adult who understands bullets can miss their target in a high stress situation. I am adult enough to know that a missed bullet means it’s going somewhere else. Ricochet into a bystander holding their cell phone maybe?
The knife is the safer method if a dog is locked on to someone.
They teach you adult stuff like that when you take concealed carry classes. They also teach you to avoid using your gun at All costs unless you fear someone’s life is in danger. If you can avoid confrontation, do it it all costs.
Chokin the dog out (like, put him in a sleeper hold?) because if a dog is biting a human, the last thing I ant to do is get my face near his face to be the next target. Dogs are pretty strong my dude. They’re squirmy too.
If it has a collar you can just grab it there and let gravity choke the dog.
And like I said unless it's a big dog. You can choke it pretty easily. I play fight with my beagle all the time (I know it's not a big breed) but it's super easy to make him try to for one hand and go for the choker with the other one. Of course I've never choked my dog so I'm not sure how fast you can put them to sleep. But once I have my hand around is neck he stops squirming and just looks at me with a dumb face.
This is why I don't blame anyone who shoots a dog attacking someone or another dog. The damage that some dogs can inflict with just one bite is terrifying.
That's actually not really good. Just choke the dog out using its collar. Or your arms. Lack of oxygen they pass out. You don't even need to do any strength just let gravity take its course.
Because when they lunge with a bite you may not react. Getting hurt against a dog really isn't uncommon. Sure you may win. But I would be surprised if you came out unscathed especially against bigger breeds.
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For future reference — the safest and most effective way to separate dogs that are fighting is to choke them out. Leash, collar, rope, belt etc, put it high up on the neck behind their ears and lift. You don’t need to be forceful, let gravity and their body weight do the work. In the working and sport dog world we call this a hard out, and use it when a dog doesn’t have a verbal out. Hitting them, using the hose, wheelbarrowing, sticking something in their butts, don’t work and have a higher incidence of the dog redirecting or causing even more damage to what it’s already biting.
Dog professionals: I can't emphasize this enough, the choke is the most efficient and safest way to separate a dog. Everyone else: Believes and shares methods that have a high rate of failure. Can we please get to a stage in society where we do the proper research before sticking firmly to a stance? Grab collar, twist, lift. If a dog could be deterred by hitting, kicking, fingering their butthole then it'd just undermine the entire idea of a fight. Dogs get injured in fights, yet do they stop? Pain isn't a solution.
Professional trainer, working dog breeder, and decoy here. This comment and the above are spot on.
I’d put the dog in a full Nelson lol
Let me try and choke out the unleashed dog that attacked me and my dog last week. Nah I kicked the shit out of it until it walked away
Reading comprehension and common sense is pretty important too. Obviously you have to use whatever method feels the safest for the situation. /u/leac1801 specifically mentioned *separating* fighting dogs. i.e.: they are locked together and need to be physically separated. If you can't get into a position where you can choke it out, then try to deter it some other way.
I carry a cane and mace for this reason. I’ve used the cane. I’ve choked my dog and others to keep everyone safe. And it’s only holding until you feel them let go, and then can safely remove them from the situation. Also making yourself big and a deep voice yelling “NO” has worked well for me. I’m a medium size woman with a giant reactive pup and live in a city that isn’t the best about off leash issue. We’ve learned things the hard away.
You can choke a dog out with a modified rear naked choke. A collar or leash is much preferred, but you don’t *have* to have anything to do it effectively
If it's your dog choke it. if it's someone else's dog hurting you kick it
Shoot it
That’s what I did to a neighbor dog that was killing our chickens in their pen.
Sometimes you just got to
But what's the best way to extricate/protect the dog who's being attacked?
I usually prefer to dive on the bigger dog at the shoulder area and take the other one down too and pin that by yhe neck until they calm the heck down or someone else comes and helps separate them. Same kinda deal though I guess
[That’s how you get fucked up.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MedicalGore/comments/104bsc8/dog_bite_breaking_up_a_dog_fight_update_from_left/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Don’t put your face anywhere near the bitey bits. I fell on top of a dog fight on Dec 24th that happened at my feet and swept my legs.
More accurately, that's how YOU got fucked up. I'm like 10 out of 12 with it and that's cause I missed the neck grab and my hand ended up in a mouth. (🤦♂️) Edit: posting my reply "I've worked with a bully rescue since 2014 bringing "broken" dogs from California/Texas/Nevada/Arizona up to Canada. More often than not, anyone with ANY legitimate experience can recognize the signs of a stressed/anxious dog and remove them from the situation. It's no surprise that /u/rossionq1 doesn't know those signs and thusly has more fights on his hands because he trains police dogs. Which are trained to have the exact characteristics that I train out of dogs. To each their own. But I'd say his staggering amount of dog fights under his care compared to mine speaks to our abilities. " Make your own decisions. I train dogs to be nice, he trains police dogs to be unhinged, violent dogs that need a pry bar to get off with no re-call Hmmmm
I’m a professional dog trainer, and train as well as breed dogs for working homes, primarily police and competition. I’ve broken up orders of magnitude more dog fights than 12. I know some things about dogs
Apparently you don't know how to read dogs if you've had to break up that many fights. Lol
Several decades, 1000’s of dogs. Majority being working GSDs, mals, dutchies. It adds up. But I’m still learning. More than happy to take whatever I can glean from your 12 dog experience, so please share. I’m not being sarcastic
If only you could take a joke like you take everything too serious
I’m seriously asking you to share your experience. Whether it’s something I’ll incorporate into my toolbox or something I learn not to do, it’s a win win and of value to me regardless. That being said, I apparently missed the joke. what part was just a joke?
I suspect the joke is them backpedaling now that they realised they are woefully underskilled compared to yourself 😂
Finger up the ass does the trick too
No it doesn’t, and it is disgusting.
I've literally seen it work lmao. Of course it's disgusting but I'd rather be gross than dead or maimed.
Just cause it worked for one person in a video doesn't mean it is a reliable way to do it. Dog could just get surprised and in the heat of the moment attack who is doing that.
Or like, claw out the eyes? Punch it in the throat? Kick it in the face? Why would your first reaction be to stick a finger in it's ass? Like, what?
I've actually had some one say when I complained about people's unleashed dogs rushing at my dog to carry a stick and point it at their nose. that way if they ignore the threat you can bap them on their nose and that usually works. luckily never had to try it but pointing the stick did seem to work to keep them from trying.
https://youtube.com/shorts/9X_kUcu8GV0?feature=share
You linking a video of, presumably, someone fingering a dog to get it to stop attacking is, frankly, some surreal shit. I refuse to click that link, and my final statement on this is that it's fucking *weird* if your first thought to stop a dog attack is "I need to finger it's asshole".
Better than being mauled.
Someone needs to post the video because I've seen it also, true story
One video doesn't mean it is a reliable way to seperate them. I mean I've yelled at my dog to come back when she rushed to go play with a dog who was obviously not friendly and she did come back... I still wouldn't recommend relying on that (I was being careless and had unleashed her at my door before I went inside and the guy happened to walk by just when that happened).
No it doesn't. A finger up the ass doesn't work. The woman turned around and punched me in the face for putting my finger up her ass while her dog was biting my kid.
Maybe she needed two in the front to really shock 'er.
Damn didn't think of that. Going to walk my kid tomorrow and pay him an ice cream to agitate the dog until he is bitten. I will try 2 in front also to shock her. I will let everyone know how it goes.
Thank you for your sacrafice ❤️
Separating the central nervous system from the rest of the body works too.
I’m confused on why shoving something in its ass would even be a strategy considered in this scenario, the other things yeah but putting something in an angry dogs ass sounds like asking to get mauled.
The most efficient way is to grab their hind legs and pull them apart, they can't bite you as long as you keep pulling them and stay behind them
I think that's wheelbarrowing
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This idiot literally train dogs in bitesports. The only way that works 100% of the time is choking them out. They can’t bite if they can’t breathe, can they ? That’s why we use it when a dog doesn’t have a verbal command.
Put yourself in greater danger, yeah thats a good idea
How is it a greater danger ? You are controlling the dogs head, as well as how much oxygen it’s receiving, instead of being at its ass where it can whip around and redirect its bite.
Putting yourself near the bitey part is always bad
Choking the dog out works 100% of the time. Wheelbarrowing it just gets you into position for being bit.
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Dog can't bite you if it's unconscious 🙃
Its not instantaneous
No shit, but the dog can't do anything if it can't breathe and it only takes a few seconds to knock them out completely. It shouldn't ever come to that but it's the safest way to break up a fight.
It might depend on the dog/situation
No
A water hose in the face works well and is safer than trying to choke a dog. In fact I would not recommend getting any part of your body near the dogs head, they are quicker than you. This is a personal choice on method but please remember when a dog is in in a fight of flight position they may not realize who is grabbing them and will turn on you before you can blink. Good luck and hope you never have to break up a dog fight.
No. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen someone try to use a hose and the dogs completely ignore it and keep going. And where are you going to get a hose at the park ? Choking a dog regains control, and you are much less likely to be bit this way. I train in bitesports, we use this method when dogs don’t have a verbal out, on very highly aroused and aggressive dogs, and I’ve never seen nor heard of someone getting bit this way. I’ve had to break up many fights that both do and don’t involve my dogs and do the same thing, and have never once come close to being bit. It shuts a fight down pretty quickly and control is regained, instead of people just yanking and trying to find something to hit dogs with, prolonging the fight, increasing arousal and just making the whole situation worse.
I'm not a trainer but a groomer and we use slip leads specifically for this reason if there's ever another dog around. We never want it to come to that but it's the most effective way to safely stop a fight.
Wow, that’s really bad.
Omg and I though my dog bite was bad, I hope you feel better soon and you got your shots
Yikes. It’s so strange when you see the fat come out of wounds like that. About 15 years ago something similar happened to me. I was walking my 3 month old puppy and we were attacked by a Saint Bernard that was loose. It picked my puppy up, I was fighting the dog to get my puppy back and it let go of it’s grip and bit the back of both of my triceps. One arm only had puncture wounds while the other one had a flap of skin just hanging off of it. It was a bad situation. No doctor in the ER wanted to touch it so they had to call a plastic surgeon in to fix it. It left about an 8” scar.
Real life Cujo (minus the rabies). Did you find the owners of the SB?
Yes. The attack was bad. There was a neighbor that came out when they heard me screaming for help and he had to beat the dog off of me with a broomstick. The owner came out not too long after and claimed the dog wouldn’t hurt a fly 🙄 The local SPCA brought on a criminal lawsuit against them for harboring a vicious animal and added all these stipulations onto them until we had our day in court. The owners totally violated the rules and stated several times that the dog was fine and was playing nice with the neighborhood kids. Like, wtf… they let that damn dog around young kids. Anyway, owners were found guilty. Ordered to pay a yearly fine to register their dog as a dangerous animal and to also fence in their property. Fence was never done and I doubt they paid the fines. I sued them in civil court, won. (Small amount, pretty much paid my medical bills)
To answer some questions: Bear in mind this isn't my animal or family, but rather that of a close friend so details are still not clear to me yet. The breed of dog is some sort of mix - mostly Rottweiler. Sorry to all those hoping for a pittie. The dog was subsequently put down for safety reasons. Swabs for rabies and other similar afflictions came back negative. Luckily there were no children involved. I am aware of the controversies surrounding dog attacks and will do my best to navigate it thoughtfully. Thanks for the interactions
1. Pasteurella multocida: 24 hr look out for cellulitis. 2. Rabies. 💉
Thanks for the updates. Hope your friend has a full recovery (both physically and emotionally).
Typically rabies isn't done as a swab test. There's no known, easy test for rabies. Chances are they confirmed no rabies only because the dog was euthanized and an examination of the remains/brain occurred. (I will spare the details as they are grim in case this animal meant something to you/yours.) If an animal is not euthanized but has bitten a person (and its reported) it goes into bite case quarantine which is effectively a boarding period where it's observed for signs. I'm mentioning this because I don't want misinformation about rabies being something you can just..swab for being circulated. While there are things you can attempt, it's a lot of tests and generally not worth it if the animal is euthanized. The only accurate ways of verifying if an animal is rabid is after death. Or if symptoms begin to display. They probably did it asap given the severity of injuries, to ensure no human lives were exposed. While it's been a few years I worked for a humane society and am also a bite victim (yay) but also did euthanasia and we had specific procedures if there was a bite case.
When I was a vet tech, I handled a couple of calls from owners asking for a blood test or swab test for rabies. They were pretty shocked when I told them that that's not how testing for rabies is done and explained the actual procedure to them. I'm in grad school for anatomical pathology now and even my cohort didn't know how we tested for rabies. There were a lot of shocked faces in the room.
Take the rabies shot anyway
“sorry for those hoping for a pittie” don’t be. people wishing death on an entire dog breed are disgusting.
Not wishing death on them. Want all breeding of, and for, them to stop completely.
Currently having a nap with my Pitbull 😍
No
how do you expect that to turn out? or even…get started? castrate every living pitbull?
Neuter* but yes
Yeah... That's how you stop reproduction without euthanasia or abuse.
I find Rottweilers more aggressive that pitbulls
It's mostly a matter of ratios. Per capita rotts might be more aggressive than pits, but there are way, way more pits, so the chances of encountering a hostile one are higher.
I own a rottie. First. My dog, who I love with my whole heart, would be dead if this happened. When it comes to bites with injuries, small dogs take the lead. For sever injury it’s like 60/40 pitts/Rotties. For fatalities it’s 68% pitts and 11% Rotties. The data is skewed because a pit bull is a set of features that can be found with a variety of combinations. Rottweilers are Rottweilers. Anyone that has a dog like these must treat them with an over abundance of precautions. And anyone saying “never my dog” is naive.
Great comment… I had an Italian Spinone who are HPR dogs, they are generally wonderful calm soft mouthed all children, dog n human loving and goofy.. my girl was an exception to the rule.. she hated kids. Never keen on other dogs n was choosy over humans. Daddy was her human. Me not so much. I had to watch her EVERYWHERE we went. To keep her safe and others. 1 bite n she would have gone to the vet. Nature took its course n she passed at nearly 10. Dogs are dogs.. they all have that potential.
As someone who was mauled by a pitty - my least favorite dog are daschunds. Bitey little bastards. But seriously, pits are a product of their environment and what we have bred them to be. That said, more badly bred and badly trained weiner dogs have tried to bite me than anything else. I've also been bit, shat and peed on all simultaneously by a daschund whom I was simply trying to hold for an exam. The pitty who mauled me was absolutely not at fault for *why* she did. But the lack of resources and bad management to ensure what happened didn't happen was to blame. Fortunately I was well equipped to endure the attack - jeans and a heavy canvas jacket. Or my arms would have been worse than OP's friend. Probably would have looked more like someone stuck them through a spiralizer. Do I think we need better laws about animal care, breeding snd welfare? Absolutely. But I don't believe it needs to be specific to pitties and I'm considerably more afraid of small dogs acting erratically than I am most big meat head dogs. A small dog can still rip your cheek out. Or mutilate a hand.
I've definitely heard this line of reasoning before. And judging by the content of my post I wouldn't necessarily disagree in this case:(
I’m a vet so I obviously see dogs that are nervous and often times show aggression at the vets and it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re aggressive dogs; but I’ve never seen an aggressive pitbull and 90% of the Rottweilers I see are aggressive. I immediately muzzle them, I don’t trust them one bit
I bring mine in already muzzled. She’s never been aggressive for the vets, but afraid dogs react in afraid ways. My Vet was like “she’s fine” and I agree. But I also won’t play any foolish games. As a side note. My dogs aren’t aggressive to her. My cat fucked her up. Lizzie is mean.
Good dog parent!
Good job! Thanks for keeping your vet safe
I mean they are inherently quite large and intimidating dogs to begin with. I could never😅. Interesting that you have to muzzle the majority of them. Appreciate your sharing
I don't like to make any breed sound bad cause in the end just cause a dog is a certain breed doesn't mean it is going to be a bad dog... but yes, I've met quite a few questionable rotties (way more than I've met aggressive pitbulls, in fact I'm not sure i"ve met an aggressive pitbull... and I've met a few scary rotties <- worked at a pet store for years). Granted I've also met really sweet rotties too, but I'd say from my own personal experiences I'd say rotties deserve the rep more than pits do. But I still don't think it's right to label a dog bad just cause the breed (For one thing correlation /= causation. Could be the type person that breed attracts for one).
Yeah I agree. I just think Rottweilers are prone to aggression. Behaviour is ⅓ genetics and 2/3 environment
I can totally agree with that. I won't say breed doesn't totally factor but I do think environment factors more. In fact off the top of my head the rotties i met that were questionable also ahd questionable owners. one kinda smirked when he told me it was ok to pet his dog (who then bark/snarled at me) and anotehr was telling epople it was ok but his dog was definitely not ok with it (it was more a scared reaction but the dog would act happy at first until you got too close and then it would freak out as it realized it was not ok as it thought about strangers petting it... you could see it realize it was scared as you got close). And most pit owners I've met seem to be pretty good with their dog (I mean with their rep you kinda have to be). I probably have not seen the type pit owners who give hte dogs a bad name cause in general they aren't taking them to a pet store to show off (saw one at a beach who Ic ould tell was not pleased I was calling his pit puppy cute.. he did not want that kidn of image from his dog <- and honestly I think if you have a dog to portray a tough guy image you really shouldn't have a dog).
I feel so badly for that puppy. He was probably raised with fear and aggression instead of love and snuggles. People suck.
Agreed. Though could even just be neglect and lack of dog training.
I was not hoping for a pittie and I'm annoyed at people who are (that already shows bias that they want to just have more confirmation bias to be against all pitties). I kinda feel bad for the dog. One bite from being seperated from a dog fight doesn't necessarily mean they are aggressive (of course i don't know the dog and there could be other reasons). As I replied to your post I knew some one's dog who bit her father when it got into a fight. That dog usually was normally a sweet and non aggressive even to dogs dog (I had an agressive dog and he would ignore my dog when my dog would try to start a fight, my dog at the time on the other hand was a PITA and pretty dog aggressive. Years later my dog got out fo his fence, into some one else's yard, and bit a chunk off their dog's ear to give you perspective). He just was in the heat of the moment and not "seeing clearly". That happens and I would not hold a dog biting some one who seperated them in a fight as proof they are aggressive.
Your dog wasn't seeing clearly? And in the heat of the moment? It sounds like your dog is a nuisance and a danger to anyone around it.
Wasn’t my dog and it is a very well known phenomenon that if a dog is fighting they could easily get anyone who comes in the crossfire. It’s why you aren’t supposed to seperate dogs who are fighting by hand. Any dog knowledgeable person can tell you this. My dog at the time was dog aggressive (which doesn’t mean it is people aggressive). You sound like some one who knows nothing of dogs.
I hope the owners of the dog your dog mauled sued the shit out of you. You sound like a careless pit owner. The excuses you’re making for having a violent dog are typical of inexperienced, virtue signaling pit owners.
Ah. Bias shows it’s ugly head. Funny how you instantly thought and was certain it was a pit. That dog was a golden retriever and it was my parent’s dog (he even tried to fight a rottie once and I’ll admit it was my bad there cause I thought it was an ok idea to take him to a pet store). And if you notice, it wasn’t just our fence he got through. He was pretty bad about being able to “jump” fences. And he’s why I never want a dog aggressive dog again. And I’ll say I’d didn’t fully agree with how my parents took care of the dog but to be fair to them he was really smart about getting out of fences. It’s not like they were letting him roam free at the time. These days they at least smartened up but they have not had a problem dog like him since. Oh, and btw my friend’s dog who bit her father was also a golden. And as I said otherwise he was a very even tempered dog. But dog knowledgeable people will tell you you don’t seperate fighting dogs by hand because they don’t always seperate who they are attacking at that point. In fact pits are known for being different because their sad history as fighting dogs the people fighting them bred them to not attack when pulled away. But I definitely still wouldn’t chance it.
Dog aggressive and human aggressive are two different things. Dog aggressive dogs won't all redirect to the person, that's a huge red flag. That said, read the title again. This was not a dog fight.
I agree dog aggressive dogs are not people aggressive dogs. But dogs fighting each other have been known to redirect their anger if some one tries to interrupt and that is not people aggression either. It’s why it is stupid to use your hands to stop a dog fight. The dog I know of who bit his owner when interrupted from a fight was normally a very even tempered dog. Even ignored my dog aggressive dog who was always trying to start a fight with him (he didn’t give my dog the time of day while my dog would be snarling and pulling at the leash trying to get at him).
Holy shit bruh
I'm sure he was the sweetest pup right up until he wasn't
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Shut the fuck up
Looking at your downvotes, sickening people across all threads just assume every attack is a pitbull or every mutt is a pitbull, dear lord.
Whaa, a dog selectively bred for bull baiting and rat baiting, who infact involve to have strong attacking incstinct and determination is a very nice and not capable of one day triggering the 250 years of breeding for mauling incstinct? Forgive the sarcasm. But it is the likely candidate. Especially how easily available they are to every idiot out there who like to keep their dog free roaming and untrained
Because most of the time it IS a pitbull. Stop spreading misinformation.
I’m sure
This is the same post, btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/MedicalGore/comments/113syft/dog_bite_a_friends_father_attempted_to_dislodge/j8tbust?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Wow. It's amazing the amount of damage a dog can do. That jaw/bite force is impressive.
I hate seeing animals being abused or hit but if a dog is attacking someone i would choke, kick, punch. Stick my fingers right into its eyes. And although i would hate having to physically hurt an animal and it would break my heart but in the moment if it’s attacking someone or myself im gonna fight and protect. Someone i know had a small dog and some guy had his big dog off leash and she was walking it and the guys dog ran and mauled her small dog to death, thrashing it around the place it was horrific. I was a small kid at the time it happened but now i would admit i would put the dog down myself if i seen it doing that. Sometimes i think killing the attacking dog is the only way sometimes to stop it. I hope the wound heals and is free from infection
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Actually, he was right cuz op commented it was a mostly Rottweiler mix.
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Did you read that it said “pit or Rottweiler”? It’s been deleted now but he literally said Rottweiler you illiterate fuck.
He said Rottweiler mix
What do you think that is you fucking dipshit? It’s a Rottweiler.
The deleted comment said pit
It did not. It said “pit or Rottweiler” and had no edit mark. Don’t lie.
The one I replied to made the assumption it was a pit, the op said its a Rottweiler mix
When I was young I also had a friend whose father got bit by their own dog the same way. When dogs get into it, they don't always see who they are attacking (why it is best not to seperate them by hand...as your friend's father found out and I learned from my friend's cautionary tale).
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Pitbull.
It was a rottie. Almost like it takes a big dog to make big damage.
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It. Will. Not. Work. There are so many videos of people doing that, and it makes things worse. The dog just fully keeps their jaws clamped. Best way: choking them, unlike sticking something up their ass they won't turn around and bite you, they will just get weak due to lack of oxygen and cease to attack
Have you not seen videos of dogs spinning themselves from a rope toy hanging from a tree? They don’t have to have their feet planted to hang on.
So the one getting attacked should lift the dogs back legs? GTFO Or the person who isn't getting attacked should lift the dogs back legs? GTFO
This is the dumbest fucking way to break up a dog fight. That dog is going to turn on you and guess whose in bite range now? Balancing on their front legs lmao that dog is in fight mode, it will curl back up around like a dogfish and bite you in the face. If the dog doesn't let go, you need to choke them out.
No this is listed multiple places as a way to break up fights. Have done it with housemates dogs when they would get in a tiff about something. Pick up the back legs as high as you can while walking backwards. I picked them up completely off the ground. If 2 people the each take a dog and pull back in different directions.
Bad information is listed all over the place. Best practice is a slip lead, but no one ever follows that.
For me the method is tried and true. Ever try to slip a lead over dogs in a fight? Good way to get bitten but do your thing.
Curious to know the background of this. Like, how it happened and what breed it was. Was animal control called after that? Or are the owners still keeping the dog?
I've posted an updated comment. I hope it provides some insight!
I’m not sure the person in the back ground would be thrilled that they’re pictured.
That would be the person whom the dog attacked first
But thanks for checking anyway. A valid point to raise
You can see about 6 pixels of their face.
Yall pittie haters where chomping at the bit weren't you? Psychopaths lol
Unhinged
Could you tell me about how much pain you’re feeling? I know a knife cut hurts like hell but this looks far worse. Does this feel like a 9 of 10 pain level?
That's a weird question. You can probably just imagine it hurts a lot. Not like he has many measurements to take from. If this is the worst wound he's had that's probably gonna be a 10. Pain is subjective his 10 could be yours 3.
Thanks, that is a meaningless explanation. 1) for saying pain is subjective. Who doesn’t know that? 2) you’re not him, so you’re just imagining his pain as much as I am.
My guy he won't be able to explain it. Like what can he say. Yeah it hurt a lot. Like tf. It looks like it hurts. It most definetely did. Him giving you a number is meaningless. It won't mean much. Since his 10 could be your 3. The point being your question really is pointless.
No, my question is not about putting his pain on a scale. But that is what doctors always do isn’t it? Again, my question is not aimed at you, because you’re just giving answers that I could give myself. Think of reading any post on anxiety, frustration, revenge. There’s always nuance in experiences that others overlook. Every feeling is subjective, that’s why explanations are useful. For example, this wound looks horrid. Yet he is still able to take a couple of photos with his other hand (assuming he could). Did he have painkillers, or was it bearable? It looks like it would hurt like holy fucking hell, and I’d imagine I might pass out from the pain. Did he? Or, does it look worse than it looks? I can’t tell from the picture. I doubt you can, too.
>But that is what doctors always do isn’t it? Yes doctors. Which do it so they know if the should administer painkillers for the patients comfort. Or to check if there may be hidden damage. I just don't understand why you specifically are asking. You gain nothing. And you don't know him. Idk feels like a weird question. But I may also be the weird one. It's just this a medical gore subreddit. If you asked everyone how much it hurt you would be commenting a lot.
> You gain nothing. Yeah maybe don’t presume what others will or will not gain when they ask questions.
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Nowhere does OP say it was a pitbull that bit.
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Carry a gun like an adult
I do carry a gun like an adult. I’m also an adult who understands bullets can miss their target in a high stress situation. I am adult enough to know that a missed bullet means it’s going somewhere else. Ricochet into a bystander holding their cell phone maybe? The knife is the safer method if a dog is locked on to someone. They teach you adult stuff like that when you take concealed carry classes. They also teach you to avoid using your gun at All costs unless you fear someone’s life is in danger. If you can avoid confrontation, do it it all costs.
Or just choke the dog out. Dogs really aren't that physically strong. And other than the pitbulls they don't usually latch on.
Chokin the dog out (like, put him in a sleeper hold?) because if a dog is biting a human, the last thing I ant to do is get my face near his face to be the next target. Dogs are pretty strong my dude. They’re squirmy too.
If it has a collar you can just grab it there and let gravity choke the dog. And like I said unless it's a big dog. You can choke it pretty easily. I play fight with my beagle all the time (I know it's not a big breed) but it's super easy to make him try to for one hand and go for the choker with the other one. Of course I've never choked my dog so I'm not sure how fast you can put them to sleep. But once I have my hand around is neck he stops squirming and just looks at me with a dumb face.
If there’s a collar, yea.
Dog or bear?
Dog named bear. He posted a commented.
Oh hell yeah that's a good one! Ouch!
I'm sorry for saying this, but I would do some l\_th\_l \_nj\_r\_\_s to my dog, if he bit me like that
I thought my dog bite was bad, had 5 stitches on my palm and it was painful as fuck. I could only imagine this
This is why I don't blame anyone who shoots a dog attacking someone or another dog. The damage that some dogs can inflict with just one bite is terrifying.
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Never get between two dogs - try the wheelbarrow method where you grab the hind legs and walk backwards quickly.
That's actually not really good. Just choke the dog out using its collar. Or your arms. Lack of oxygen they pass out. You don't even need to do any strength just let gravity take its course.
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No, it doesn't.
I don't see how people get beat up by dogs. It's like they're scared to pxnch or chxke the mf to get themselves free.
Because when they lunge with a bite you may not react. Getting hurt against a dog really isn't uncommon. Sure you may win. But I would be surprised if you came out unscathed especially against bigger breeds.
pit bull