By - DanHassler0
Nio has been a really disappointing investment YTD. I see so many people just saying buy the dip, or I am long, or this is my largest or only position. It is hard to watch your investment be flat or negative when others are moving higher. People like to tare down these other companies for one reason or another but there are people making profits in those stocks. Isn't that what we are all hear for? Profit? Nio -17٪ YTD,
Lets not forget these guys that have not even or just started selling products,
Nio has been dead money. If you are a smaller investor, working a regular job, buying a couple shares when you can, let this be a lesson. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Your account most likely would have performed much better diversified into multiple assets. I an not saying to be long or short, just not 50 or 100% in NIO because someone says "in 5 years bla,bla,bla".Even if you wanted to be all in EV's and divided your investments into all the companies listed above you would be better off right now. Nio is not my largest investment but is substantial and I am not selling, but that does not mean I am not disappointed. Stop drinking the coolaid and start expecting results from your investment. Not just beat down everyone else since they are profiting.
Can we say market manipulation ok yesterday went down 5% today every other ev company went up . But flat as shit its was so obvious and watch soon as all ev,s down nio will follow with them we will be in the 30,s bye next week and next month they will give us back 3% lol
I like what happened today, because I wanted all the short sellers out. Let it be flat for a while and let short sellers find something else. We can have a smooth ride later.
1st person I've read today that was happy with what happened to nio but for me dosent really matter planing on retirement and betting my retirement on nio
Your investment will grow 1000% in 2 years. I am sick and tired of the number of short sellers NIO got infested with. When Tesla was at $180, Elon Musk said that the biggest problem with Tesla stock was the short sellers. All other EVs are going up and short sellers will eventually move to one of those, as they left Tesla.
I really hope ur right
Lucid and xpeng are in their 50s...nio is 40..fml. this is freaking disappointing.
I’ve been holding since last year. It’s really discouraging when you see other stocks making big moves and NIO is not. Times like this separate the true “Diamond Hands” from the others. No one knows the future. So put your money in what you believe in. For some people thats in the safety of a static bank account, for others its NYSE. So choose wisely.
Short term vs long term. Long term is what matters given you’re going to increase the value of your portfolio over time.
In the end long term winning strategies defeat short term situations. I don’t believe Xpeng, Li, Geely, or BYD really have the community that Nio has.
What makes you believe that Nio has a bigger community? Reddit users? There is no proof for that at all. And even if it had more "followers" what does this have to do with the long term behaviour of the stock if the other companies outperform it?
Because they’re established and have a massive network of charging stations across China. Not to mention consistent sales and NIO House communities across the country and in other countries too.
Lucid doesn’t have this type of following and Reddit following doesn’t matter. We only have 40k followers in the sub which isn’t much as far as cars they’ve delivered already.
Second that. When the market is surging nio goes flat, when the market is red nio drops more. I guess its the 50m share offering that is not completed causing this
Lucid is 90b in mkt cap while nio is 62b. Doesnt make sense when nio is selling so much more cars
LCID is going to crash HARD. Who knows when, but if you got into lucid early, personally I think it’s about time to take profit.
Same situation as NIO last thanksgiving when it hit its ATH around 65. We’ve been waiting since. History repeats.
when LCID crashes, Nio will be affected so double whammy
I believe when Lucid crashes NIO will push up.
why would you believe this...
In terms of algorithms supposedly yes but over the course of 2022 no way. NIO actually will start making money quite soon - look at its quarterly EPS. Lucid is a nothing compared to NIO in terms of earning actual money. Watch Lucid crash hard when the investment winners take profit. Don’t get greedy if you’re in lucid.
No im not as i had the same thoughts as u during the spac phase, but its just so discouraging to see what is happening now
Yeah but keep positive - on the 1 year chart it’s a rough wait. But we’re good on the 5yr, 3mo, 1mo. Selling pressure is always hardest before a rise.
Well... before Nio hits 45, everyone here will become close friends.
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I cant beleive my one and only EV play i NIO and it was flat today... good god
Same lmao. And it’s 15% of my portfolio..
yeah. Just my life savings. I hope I don't go broke.
I have been watching Cowboy Bebop. I just saw the one where Faye gets that package with a Beta video cassette and then Jet and Spike go through this old company and bring back a VHS player.
Beta was better than VHS technically, but VHS won out.
Since then I have been asking myself, "Which EV will the porn industry use?"
i wonder today ev market was pumped nio flat what will happen when ev market will sell off😔
Nio will be flat flat till nio day will get 3% and stay in the 43 then after nio day back to 39s
Dude knowing Nio, it’ll probably hit 300 lol
Lucid will be 400 and rivian 5000 lol
I’ve really underestimated the average investor’s desire to jump into companies that are all show, though. American investors just see the words ”American EV” and buy the lottery ticket I suppose.
I keep thinking it’s too late to ride the RIVN pump dump every day but it just keeps on trucking
I bought that lottery ticket in wkhs and I am glad to have gotten out when I did.
I will give you a clue- there is very little sell volume- the ipo has a lockout time frame where people who were allowed to buy it before it launched- are not allowed to sell- normally 90 days. If they sell they lose the opportunity for them to be on future ipo’s so what they will do now will be to buy puts and wait- if price goes down they make money from their puts if price keeps going up they make money from ipo- they might even sell covered calls for 90 days out get a premium and put puts to protect- for example sell $220 mar calls for $38 and buy $155 calls for $38. If price drops they are put $15 from selling right now- if goes past $185 they make more.
Really 🤔 didn’t know that. Thanks for info
Eh offering still not completed..
Ofcourse not. It will take some more weeks. But they probably sold a lot today. You are the positive guy in this forum. Where did he go? Stay patient, look at the bright future
Thing is, good companies always eventually rise on top. If Nio executes their business plan correctly we will win in the long run. It’s not wishful thinking, it’s just how the stock market works.
Correct and why nio is starting to fall behind- unable to raise capital to compete and expand as fast as others such as li, xpev, and rivian
Are they unable to raise capital? I believe Nio has more cash than Xpeng, and if they scale next year as they promise they should be competitive
Let me be more clear/ nio did not raise capital as timely as the others. Nio wanted to do a dual listing but they had issues while xpev went forward. Now nio came into this fall behind where they needed to be to address capacity issues- sure it’s only a month or so lag- but when you are in as hot of a market as this-that’s a big lag. The reason nio is not going up as well is nio has not made the necessary steps as quick as the others- the good news- it has kept nio back while the others have gone up- so as nio starts to execute- they can gain that back. To not acknowledge nio went into this year with a big advantage and has lost some of it is ignorant- they were slower in execution and is reflective in the stock price.
Oh yea, that is fair. I agree. I don't think Nio's management fully understand how much this area of tech is driven by hype. It wants a constant stream of exciting news and exponential scaling up of production. Or maybe they are so sure of their business they don't care.
He doesnt know shit and thought he knows it all. NIO JUST FKING RAISED 1B rmb thru bonds and he tells u Nio has difficulty in raising capital.
Nio has taken how long to raise 2b, while rivian just raised 12.4 in one offer. Why do you think nio had to do the new offering instead of dual listing like planned. Nio has been behind in on raising capital- why else do you think they have fallen out of favor? Not saying they won’t do better now they are finally completing this offer- but they took to long to address capacity issues while others have caught up- that’s the point -they took to long to get capital and compared to rivian is now half the size of rivian in terms of capital raised and even more behind in cash
Nio didnt hv a demand issue with their dual listing in HK. It was delayed due to Li Bin s user trust complications. They could hv done secondary offering in US again if they choose to and they would raise fund as they wished. They sold interest free convertible notes in the beginning of the year. They raised funds in the domestic market thru bonds. How s that hving difficulty in raising capitals?
It’s at the market offering, they sell whenever they see fit! I dont see this as any difficulty in raising funds. And they are a shit load of cash. I dont know what u smoking that they behind in cash.
Capacity caught up? Last time i checked Li and Xpev hv much lower capacity than Nio. Not to me mention LCID and Rivian barely sold anything.
Read it again and try to understand:
Nios issues raising capital- they took alternate paths to raise capital and raised it later in the year than originally projected- their calls had wanted it done by august.
Didn’t compare nio cash to xpev-specifically says rivian - which raised 12.4 billion cash this week alone. Capacity- once again- didn’t compare to other companies just that it’s behind its own goals and market goals and why it revised its deliveries down. All while all the other companies you mentioned didn’t lower their guidance but raised it- once again showing back to original comment where nio entered the year with an advantage but from lags in execution has allowed the competition to gain ground. You are in denial if you can’t understand this- why else do you think the other companies are going up more than nio- and if youbdarw say share offering- once again brings it back to issues raising capital as other companies raised it earlier and nio had originally said the wanted it done late summer through the secondary listing. Otherwise please tell me why nio is down and slow to gain while the other Evs are rising. What is it pick on nio- or is it because they are behind their own goals and revised their deliveries down.
last h pump and first 10min in after h all down again 😂😂
On a positive note, this is not entirely bad. There are so many Reputable EV players in the field right now. Everyone got pumped up, good or bad except Nio. Sooner or later they might realize that and start coming back to Nio and when that happens, I think it will bring btr much needed positive sentiment back.
One of Nio s bigger problem now is negative sentiments.
People on this sub are so impatient lol. They want to get rich quick when most of the times that’s not even possible. Let the freakin stock breathe and see where it heads for goodness sake. Cramer might be pumping US EV stocks but I’d be cautious of following him because he can screw you over. He said to buy DiDi only to shortly after suggest selling. He said to buy BYND earlier this year and pumped it to 150s and look at it now in the 80s. Stop trying to make a quick buck or else you risk getting burnt IMO. Good things take time and those who are patient will get rewarded.
Edit: stick —> stock
I guess its not abt being impatient as most people in here i assume have held the stock for > 6 months but looking at the performance vs its peers is absolutely disappointing. Obviously when its peers are on a rampage while nio is red or flat not once not twice but multiple days really makes us think twice whether management is screwing over the investors with their decisions.
He is obviously on crack. Lucid is over 90b market cap and here is their Q3 report. Lucid reported sales of about $232,000 and a loss of 43 cents a share, but the sales weren't from vehicles delivered to customers. Shipments started after the quarter ended. The money came in from the use of Lucid's battery-pack technology in the Formula E racing series. Wall Street was expecting a loss of 25 cents a share from about $1.3 million in sales, but at this point any earnings "miss" isn't important. And I'm not even going to start with Rivian, which is now above vw with 40 deliveries a month..
Him pumping NKLA on live interview was hilarious.
I know right lmao. Dude is whack
This is fucked up for real
Lol greeen hahaha
Dont jinx it yet, even its a penny, i take that btr than fking red
Actually, it's still a red bar ahahah
Here come the eod buying to close shorts. Right on schedule.
Nio is valued like lucid at 8-10x maybe that's why we don't move up. Of course nio has a much better Future and is going to expand much faster but still
nio is valued at $4?
that gives nio a 6.56B market cap. They have more cash than this.
This doesn't even take into consideration their growth potential.
It takes into consideration that they burn an impressive amount of money
Thats what growth companies do to grow….
I know and it's ok lucid Burns even more. But I tried to give it a bit more sense
Yes but when every other ev is rising hard then it’s not nios valuation thats the issue. Try offering and option oi.
I don't think it would be smart to sell stocks right now. They may be able to sell em around nio day for a much higher price
Trust in your stocks like your religion. If you don’t have a religion, then trust in yourself. As for me, for all the EV companies that exists, Tesla and NIO are the only two car brands I would ever buy in the industry (for now). I’m just as frustrated as everyone else but I do believe that good things come to those who wait. Learning to be patient is a valuable skill in life.
All these American company pumps are delusional. US has the smallest market compared to China and EU. Whoever wins the Chinese market will hv s btr shot dominating. I see Tesla gets the love becuz its the leader and the only true global player at this point. But all these other ones hahahaha funny.
Are you kidding? China is the largest market but lacks the wealth per capita. Nio is in premium ev and that’s why it is xpeng and li are climbing and nio is not. The us is second and the Eu is 2/3 the size of the United States-now add in Canada and Mexico. The US companies have access to all the North American markets and European markets with trade agreements already in place-while nio does not. These new us ev companies are owned by the larger automakers and have any more backing. They will be able to expand at a faster rate than nio and these small companies like xpeng and li. Lucid is small- but rivian is set to be big- it has huge backing and probably the best balance sheet of all auto makers out there. You are delusional to worry about these other car companies. Your investment in nio is a stand alone- who cares what the other companies do as long as nio is making money- but these comments are more because you must have Chinese pride issues.
U r clearly ignorant. I hv no chinese pride issues. U dont see the market the same way i do doesnt mean i hv “chinese pride”. All these backing u talking about means anything technology and development? The EV race is all about technology and development. If ur so call backing means funding, Nio has tencent. U are arrogant and ignorant at core! China might not hv the biggest capita, they hv the biggest middle class that are willing to spend on high end goods. U clearly hv no idea how wealthy the middle and upper class are and how many of them in china. U also hv no fking idea how the market works. Which countries sold the most EVs in 2020 and 2021 year to date? Last time i checked was China and EU with US being the third. All these pumped up American company with a sole market in US only at the moment which laugable sales and u call them big. If u want to be delusional, go ahead, no one will stop u. NIO is stand alone investment? This is the stupidest shit i heard today. If it wasnt Tesla that created the whole EV space and created the whole EV trend Nio will be what it is today? Who would invest in a company only without analyzing the whole industry or sector. I guess u must be “really smart” with that shit. If the whole EV space didnt get all these recognitions and support in the last 2 yrs u think Nio will be making money on its own? Now tell me who is delusional with “MAGA pride”.
I can tell you a Chinese middle class wealth isn’t even equal to US lower class-the people buying nio car is upper class. You really don’t know much about wealth. And yes Ford is innovative and has technology. But hey you know so much I can’t understand why the market isn’t following your advice and seeing rivian crash and nio soar. Eventually nio will go up, and rivian will go down as rivian is currently overvalued, but as this year shows nio was managed poorly, it took to long to expand, company didn’t communicate enough, unable to complete dual listing, and and has opened a door to the competition. Nio will do well-but as a person who currently owns only nio and none of the other companies- what is worth your jealousy and hatred to rivian- if not China versus American. And sure you can call me a know it all/ignorant/etc- but please explain why the market is doing what it’s doing to nio price and other ev prices if my analysis isn’t correct? Don’t worry- though- as I said before- in invested in nio for the next year- they are just lagging because they didn’t execute as well as other Evs did this year.
This can only be lunacy by madmen
Last hour rally. Nio feels like the only adult it the room. Rivian and Lucid valuations are nuts. They haven't even executed yet. While Nio keeps winning innovation awards. I started buying last year at 13. I still think BaaS isn't fully appreciated yet. I'm betting on their success in China. USA and Europe is gravy. Long innovation. 13,500 shares. New money is coming..
BAAS is not appreciated at all with most people seeing it as battery replenishment only and think fast charging is the key. However, some including me see it as both power replenishment and a key to prevent battery degradation and upgradability.
Lucid won motor trends car of the year, and rivian won 2 awards they won best family truck and most innovative brand while nio won red dots.
I'm so lost here, Rivian won the best family truck award how? How many families have Rivian delivered to? Rivian won the most innovative brand award how??? What made them so innovative?
You don’t need to sell to win an award- just have them ready to present- just like how nio won a red dot award for a model it hasn’t sold yet- all you have to do is google awards for each company. Awards are given by organizations that review prototypes, not consumers
Good things come to this who wait
How long are you willing to wait? If you are not profiting then you are loosing.
Years I’m retired, it goes up or it goes down not really bothered to much
Lcid about to hit ATH again while NIO straight up can't crack above 46
Sad some people selling oh wells nobody has patience now days... im holding for the long i made good on doing call options and buying dips with nio average 34.16 at 806 shares now so imma keep buying dips lets go
I bought 50 more shares today @40.23 on my Roth IRA.
yeah, same lets go
there is a lack of sentiment imo, people already hyped this stock so we basically have to wait for numbers, new factory and new models. if nio keeps there promises your investment wil be gold. when the hype is over in other ev company's they wil lose money and nio with real numbers will go up, stay strong folks
Nio sold for 1.2 billlion USD in 63 days at an average share price of 40 USD. It therefore seems plausible that the deal with Goldman, JP Morgan, Credit Suisse etc. is to sell at around 40 USD. This means thart, given a stable sale rate, still 41 days of offerings since November 7 are to be expected, which means offering ends around 20 December, which is (surprisingly?) around Nio day. This means the stock will float around 40 USD up to 18 December and then will explode. Till then, hold.
Where u get 40? I remember running the math after they disclosed it as part of the ER and it was more like 36 and changes.
You're right; 1200 divided by 33,17, , around 36.17 usd per share. Still, that means at the current level big buyers may even be able to buy at a (much) lower level than now, explaining the difficulty to climb (and stay) above 40. Current demand is therefore limited to parties with limited entrance to the big list of atm sellers such as Goldman, which explains the limited sp increase..
They over played their hand thinking they can get btr prices with at the market. And they just dragged this and created more weakness to the SP.
It doesnt help when the stock is weak, u hv shorts, and then u hv Nio selling too.
Well, I’m about to catch some flack from some of you…..but I sold.
My average was $46 a share and I was holding 205 shares.
For a long time I’ve been someone who jumps into these threads and tells people to ignore the chop and hold for the long term. But the fact is, I feel like the whole EV sector is in a crazy bubble that’s bound to pop, and when it does NIO’s share price is going to suffer as a result.
So why stay when it’s the only EV stock trading downward and sideways in the interim?
Maybe I’ll buy back in one day. But for now, I’m out. Time to put this money somewhere where I’ll get reliable returns and watch how things play out from the sidelines.
I too feel like the EV industry is possibly in a bubble. And it seems that NIO isn’t able to take part in rally right now. But it will certainly take part in the drop of the bubble bursts.
The entire market has been on a good run over the last decade. There’s likely going to be a correction at some point. Sure, everyone says this, but if your favorite stock can’t run when everything else is running, and you’re just waiting for the market to acknowledge the good news from NIO, then there’s a possibility the market crashes before NIO stock price goes higher.
Yesterday I sold almost all my NIO shares. I left a few shares just as a reminder of what holding this stock for a year has done. A year of frustration, but also a year of learning to be patient and avoid paper-handing. Some might say selling anytime is paper-handing, but I’ve come to the conclusion the US stock market won’t allow this stock to run at this time.
Everyone owns NIO stock. It’s one of the most commonly traded stock amongst retail. I have a coworker that doesn’t even know about EV’s but that person holds NIO because they were told “it’s the next Tesla”. MM’s aren’t going to let this thing run when everyone under the sun is going to cash in on it.
I honestly feel like 2023 will be the year for NIO, but I think a lot of things will occur between now and then that continue to try retail investor confidence.
People will hate this, but if you had invested $100K in Nio at 1st Jan and you are holding until today, by now **you have red lost -$25K**. However, if you had invested the same amount of money in \_\_\_\_\_ , you would have
\- Xpeng $12K
\- BYD $42K
\- Tesla $44K
\- Fisker $48K
\- Rivian $63K (in a week! LOL)
\- Lucid $431K
**REDS or even**
\- Li Auto even
\- Geely -$2K
\- Nikola -$17K
These analysis excludes traditional automakers that are quickly transitioning to EVs such as VW, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, etc. ALL OF THEM are green or at least even.
Congratulations, we have invested at least a part of our portfolio in **the worst EV stock for 2021** \- long term it may be a good investment, but so are all the others mentioned above.
So this analysis provides two important points for all Nio investors, new and existing:
1- Unless NIO is a complete scam of a company - which I doubt it is - a serious green run is still pending. But for this, we need first, the EV sector to continue consolidating, second, the Chinese gov remaining "friendly" with west, third, NIO to IMPROVE its performance and transparency/marketing - today it's not good.
2- Be aware of the biased analysis of NIO "to the moon" bulls who claim themselves objective by only sharing positive egocentric perspectives, and whenever this does not materialize blame the system, the "competitors", the country, etc. Be rational when investing and don't get married to a stock, and less to your opinion about it. Even less to those of others who seem fanatic.
General sentiment about Chinese company and the communist party is not good. So apparently when people have a choice to park their money, they dont want to take on this unnecessary risk. My two cents
Totally agreed about the transparency. Nio culture is way too conservative and they tend not to tell the public if something is not going well and will only announce it when its too late for investors.
Now you tell me!!
Day 256 of nio being the loser of the bunch come on man 🥲
li auto -9%
xpenag and tesla 3%
nio hmmmm let’s go with red
it's an options game.
theres no volume today just MM moving the price to make max profit on your options.
I think short is trying to keep price under 40 until expiration date which is friday.
nio can’t be selling a lot because volume is low as fuck 😂
They need to sell 4m a day to sell everything in a week
Patience is key
Chinese stocks are up, EV stocks are up, Chinese EV stocks are up. Literally NIO is the one fat loser sitting in the corner
Nio smart money are buying the offering stocks, which explains the flat line. Other EV stocks don't have such offerings at this moment, which explains the upward movement. Be patient, don't sell and await mid December, you will be rewarded!
Smart money is buying other stocks. Only those of us with sunk cost fallacy continue to have unfounded optimism
Long term. They are investing in the future. The rest is riding on their own momentum
maybe after nio day or next year.
offering and massive option OI. What you gonna do?
Still have $45 PT for EoY.
I think your good, too many catalysts.. The stock will probably end 50 EOY or more..
They will, most certainly on nio day, it will moon like last year. No worries, patience brothers
we are missing the EV bull run
Fun facts: If Rivian keeps climbing at this pace soon it will reach a quarter of Telsa valuation. 🤔
Currently Market cap: Rivian > NIO + XPEV + LI
C'mon NIO, get green
We will end -0,40%. And next week, we hear about the offering is done. They sold a lot of shares this week and the end of last week. So no worries. It will moon before the november deliveries and Nio day
boa lucid shet
Can we get 1% up today ? If lucid can pull 20% gain, we should
This stock market shit is rigged
Nio has definitely trained my heart.
This doesn’t make sense at all. Nio is literally singled out at this point
Let s hv a reality check:
1. The retail trend/hype “investors” hv left us.
2. We ran too hot thru Feb and cooling off.
4. Nio didnt show excitements in 2021 other than battery swap stations which many still question if its good move or bad move.
5. Unable to scale up as hoped for thru out the year due to chip shortage and battery shortage.
Overall - there isnt much urgency to buy and no pumpers to pump with faded hype. I think all these contributed to the weak performance in 2021. When you weak, u get shit on (easier to manipulate). That is just the reality.
With that said, we dont need to find daily excuses for the daily stock movements and just manage our expectations accordingly and we would hv easier days.
I am a Nio Bull and I think I just accepted the fact that Nio is not going to make me bank in 2021. I didnt give up
On the company/stock. I just manage my expectation and i wont see my investment going up until 2022 maybe and hopefully. The earlier we come to terms with this, the less frustration we get.
I think this is the only honest analysis I have read from a Nio Bull. All the others would call you XPENG pumper, conspirator, etc.
Where are they now? Instead of making good analysis like yours, they hide until a next green wave. Sadly, all of us who previously provided alternative/challenging analysis, that proved to be more accurate, turned out to be closer to reality than those who spend hours writing "objective Nio to the moon" analyses which do not highlight the flaws that you mention above, which are critical to know for existing and new NIO investors.
Kudos to you
Thank u sir! Its a tough one to swallow for all Nio investors and fans.
November deliveries and nio day will bring back Momentum, My guess. German nio hodler:-)
Hopefully!!!!! But Nio didnt get much love from delivery release in 2021. So its not really much of a catalyst anymore. Man i remember in 2020, Nio mostly moon from monthly delivery release.
I am optimistic for Nio day with ET5 and another unknown model to be announced.
Yeah, the movement today is also suprising for me and I cant explain it besides the offering. I think we could really rally if we gain Momentum, even if those werent really big catalysts in the past. Nio day will bring the gains, im pretty sure (:
Yea, i gave up finding excuses daily for their weak performance. But when a stock is weak, they get shit on easily. I think this is us now. I find a lot of those excuses some people or youtubers find are just plain stupid. I do hv full faith this will turn around, just waiting for that right ingredient to make the pot cooking again.
These dudes jump bandwagon every 5 days. Im just holding and buying, its just a matter of Time Till we reach our old high again (: Patience is needed, who holds through all this really deserves the gains
Oh yea, for sure. It has been painful to hold Nio in 2021. I am one of the early investors and didnt take any profits yet. But let me tell you this is not nearly as bad as holding Nio in 2019. Man 2019 was horrible!!!!!!!!! But patient and strong conviction did paid off when it blasted off in 2020. I hv fds were holding thousands of shares at the time and just dumped them at lost right before the take off. I also hv fds cashed out with some decent profits like 100% or more but Nio was under 10 at the time. Needless to say he profited 100% plus return, but not 1000%.
Good discussion, it has also been surprising to me that NIO stock hasn't done better. But that has been good for me as I have been able to pick up more shares at a decent price. I think NIO day will bring significant growth in share price and then most likely a volatile ride up into the future (as long as US and China can continue to somewhat get along).
Not doubt nio day will push it up. My biggest concern is how well Nio going to hold those gains. This has been the issue lately. Goes up and only to disappear shortly after.
I think that the bigger problem is the transperancy of the management team, they keep hiding stuff from the investors, which is a red flag for me
Can you elaborate on hiding stuffs?
The shortages they had in August, they could have warned us like they did in March, but they did not. The fact that they were bearly working in October. They don't tell us how far they are with the offering, they don't tell us why they need 2b, when they have 7b and so on, just lost faith in the management
Man, u cant expect management to tell us everything. No big corps do that and honestly i dont think they care about the daily stock movements as much either. They are money hungry, but they did disclosed the progress in the offering on the Q3 financials and to be fair, most company will just put out a statement when its done. I am disappointed with that offering too esp they been selling on the low. And if this is what they do, idk why they do at the market instead of secondary. It just adds more pain. And yea they didnt tell us what they do with the money, but again, they cant give away their strategies with all these competitions going on.
Actually all companies disclose such information.. For example li auto did that a couple of months ago, when they disclosed that they are facing some shortages and that they will be able to deliver only 7k cars. So many other companies have done this as well..
Nio did it too when they revised down their guidance. But i think they probably only do it if the guidance was provided. Q4 guidance was not provided when they released weak Oct deliveries.
They revised their Q2 guidance after the 5k deliveries in August, so it was obvious that they did have a big chance of achieving it
What they do with the money they buy from us
I think that is fine, becuz at the end of the day they cant tell their competitors all their moves. However, you we look thru the crumbs they left on the table, we can hv educated guess.
1. EU expansions
2. Product expansions and upgrades
3. Infrastructure development
4. In house chip development
So i am actually ok with these, but i do admit They are always money hungry sitting with 7.3B billions cash as end of Q3 and still raising more from the 2B offering.
Lol lucid go to the moon.. lets go Nio
ATM offering benefits the small investor to buy NIO at a lower price. A placement of 2 bil to big investors will benefit only a few who will eventually sell also NIO is using investment banker to raise money and using such method is for greater transparency. What not spoken is the managemrnt is confident that the share will move higher after the selling is done
Nio should show us the order numbers. We will then shoot sky high as Lucid does today. It only rises because of the orders of about 22k cars next year…we’ll be churning out that amount of cars each month.
Lucid is all hype, the preorders of nio et7 were over 50k three months ago, now I can't even imagine
>, the preorders of nio et7 were over 50k three months ago, now I can't even
I dont think nio got the same level of hype, I dont think we got a >10% increase due to the et7 preorder numbers.
Don't know what to tell you my man, nio will deliver 10x more cars next year than lucid, but they are above us, but in the same time Ford will deliver 10x what nio deliveries and we are above them, it is what it is
I think nio has a handicap due to the fact that it is a China company. Only Lucid and Rivian (American companies) are soaring but Nio Xpeng and Li are having lackluster performances
yes, Li auto is also a china Company. today is only 9%
Did you not realize that hype is everything in this EV bubble? The fact that CNBC doesn't even talk about NIO anymore makes me doubt any further investor interest, especially now that they have moved on to the next shiny thing
Unfortunately you are right, I really thought that lucid will crash, when they report no revenue..
Management dont seem to care about the investors and their aim is just to get more funds (by selling at the bottom which is downright idiotic) in order to expand. This just serves to dilute our holdings and management isnt v transparent about things. I will switch to the other EVs once I manage to breakeven. Been an investor for a year but Nio just seems to disappoint (albeit expanding company).
why would they care about Americans buying through an ADR? I too am going to dump NIO at any sign of life around NIO day and move on to greener pastures
Boohoo, have patience, our Time will Come..
Ah shit, we the chum bucket at bikini bottom 🙁👀
nio should make like a chat room for investors to talk about shit like offerings shortages and so on that would be sick
From the price movement pattern of the last 2 days , NIO is red
while most EVs are green . I think this is due to the ATM offering. When it reached 40 it rebound ,do this is definitely a controlled selling. Take heart ,look like the selling is drying up soon.
i wouldn’t say that it took more then a month to sell 1.2bil worh of shares don’t think they will get 800mil worth in a week
If you notice when they announce the offering it's about 40. Probably that the mandate given to the investment banker. Don't sell below 40.
In fact to raise fund for all their expansion ,this is the best time to sell shares when all the EVs are shooting to the moon. For NIO ones had to exercise patient. Blue sky is coming.
Don't know about that, if they are selling 2m shares a day, they can finish it in 7 days
so are we just blaming everything on the offering? because wouldn't it make sense for them to let the stock price rise and then sell? why sell at a lower price and suppress your stock this way?
They don't really care about the price or the shares, I think that's clear by the fact that this is the third offering in a year.. Really losing faith in the management team of the company.
no one can answer this question i guess the plan is to sell it at bottom to suppress stock even more 🤷🏽♂️😂
I've seen that the number of institutional holders are declining by day. That might be part of the reason
Looks like we are the “unloved” child hiding in the corner in a EV party where everyone else is partying with that green hat.
Hopefully this “unloved” child will grow out stronger on her own path eventually since she is getting no love from these parties.
Ohh!! 🎶NIO🎶 your breaking my heart!
Looks like there s this girl saw us being so lonely in the corner and came over and started doing small talks with us now.
the thing is yesterday we had a red day and it’s fine all sector was red but today we have green sector but nio still red so what’s the reason today?
The offering maybe
Did they really say that they are going to speed up the offering? Everyone is saying that, but noone is providing any source..
There are no sources. But it is the perfect moment to get rid for the offering.
wow just wow 😂
Look at Xpeng en Li auto tanking😂😂😂. And here we are, fighting for a small plus.
Again a nice bounch of that 40 support
Just 2 10% days would be nice 👌
Nio at 100 would be nive to
ive built up to about 700 shares of nio this year. avg 42. its getting very frustrating anymore holding anymore. seeing so much more good news then bad news from the company apecifically, and just about 0 gains. I will continue holding but it just sucks seeing 0 gains and other companies growing on bad news and decent news. dont get it.
my guess is ... selling pressure mostly from the offering.They want to come to Nio day clean .
See it the same way. Every time it goes up they throw shares into the market. Keeping in mind that we are talking about roughly 2 bn. $ this takes some time. If they are clean on Nio day, we will see a huge Take-Off
how can NIO keep going down even though there so much buying pressure?
NIO getting punished for being a Chinese stock, too many dilutions and outstanding shares, killing it.
Is the lack of a HK listing? Something is holding it back.
Li ans Xpev are up 7% and 4%...
I don’t think nio is getting punished for being a Chinese company because xpeng has been doing really good and their also a Chinese company