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Z582

I believe this is from the Lincoln-Douglas debates if memory serves. Idk what you are trying to imply tho.


Physical-Building-19

Your memory serves poorly. First Inauguration address.


Rannrann123

he was probably trying to win back love from slave holding southerners, to keep more of them from seceding


Physical-Building-19

Probably is such a weak word. He definitely said the words I posted. Definitely is a strong word.


Rannrann123

he also definitely said "I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free"


Physical-Building-19

You're right. You should post that. I like posting and defending. You like commenting on my post. You're welcome.


Z582

👍


GoldBarMan

Slavery is an antiquated "mode of production".


Physical-Building-19

Jackson did enjoy his antiques


Rannrann123

"I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free." Also Abe Lincoln


trinalgalaxy

Lincoln and the republicans we're in a strange point when he took office. A major abolishionist movement got them in, but at the same time there wasn't a massive amount of support for the government to end slavery. And there was next to no support to wage war to end it either.while they may have wanted to see it end, they likely admitted to not have the ability to end it and desperately wanted to keep the union together. Unfortunately for them (or perhaps fortunately) the Democrats, especially southern Democrats, couldn't stand this perceived threat to their power base and proceeded to lose it all. At least for a short time.


Physical-Building-19

So Lincoln wouldve never freed the slaves had the South not forced him too. Yes, I agree.


trinalgalaxy

It's not so much a matter of not freeing them as not being able to free them


Physical-Building-19

And yet he did. Fascinating what you can do, when you want to.


trinalgalaxy

As soon as the balance of power shifted thanks to the civil war and the remaining slave states were positioned into a place where they couldn't leave the Union, the republicans finally managed to just squeeze the 13th through and cement the end of slavery.


Physical-Building-19

Well said. I certainly understand it's not so easy to just end slavery in 1860, but the specific mention of "no inclination" in his inauguration, is a bit much.


trinalgalaxy

People wonder why it took another 100 years to end slavery from our independence... Well when the system is set up in such a way to not let one group override everyone else, it takes a major event that completely changes the balance of power to allow holes that were assumed to fix themselves to finally be filled.


Physical-Building-19

And unfortunately Jefferson dropped the ball when he got the Louisiana Purchase. He could have declared slavery illegal in the new territory but he did not and thus, the next 55 years went on its path.


trinalgalaxy

That being said there are a few other factors that explains Jefferson's lack of action. First, before the cotton gin, slavery was dying and expected to eliminate itself in a matter of years to decades. Second, Jefferson had to keep existing slave states happy (especially the Carolinas...) when adding so many potential new states when facing the problems from Britain and north africa. And Jefferson was already walking a fine line with what was acceptable for a president to do when the powers of treaties and law making was explicitly given to Congress.


Physical-Building-19

Certainly not an easy choice. But he most certainly made the wrong one.


Original-Ad-4642

First time reading this quote?


Physical-Building-19

No. I usually do it every Cyber Monday.


emmc47

Lol, first inaugural address quote. Common use among Lost Causers. Key part of the quote says: **where it exists.**


Physical-Building-19

Aw I'm a Lost Causer. What an honor. Penny for your thoughts?


emmc47

Don't know if you are, but it's a common quote amongst them. Don't exactly know what you're trying to accomplish btw.


[deleted]

To tar the reputation of Lincoln when his flair user wanted a fucking monarchy


Physical-Building-19

You cant tar my boy. He's already covered in it. Your guy though...suspension of habeas corpus are the feathers for your tar.


Physical-Building-19

Just wanted to hear from you, buddy.


thatbakedpotato

Are you legitimately a Lost Causer?


Physical-Building-19

Never heard of them but it sounds like quite a challenge.


thatbakedpotato

It’s a name referring to people who sympathize with the south in the civil war and they tend to really hate Lincoln/the union/ downplay slavery as a factor of the war


Physical-Building-19

Oh boy. I'm off that wagon lol