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PS_Sullys

A lot of people are saying that Debs wouldn’t have been able to get anything done because Congress would have blocked it, but I think it’s worth considering another point here . . . an America where Eugene Debs is elected President is an entirely different America than the one that actually existed in the early 1900s. It’s an America where Debs is genuinely popular - to a point anyway. And if that happened, Debs would probably have been able to get some - though not all, mind you - of his agenda passed through Congress


OtakuSirCosmoe

Ok, you got a point and i do agree actually


Gators1985

and then he’d turn america into a socialist dystopia


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Gators1985

everyone being poor


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Gators1985

for one nationalization of railroads and phone lines. This is why he voted for the child murdering bolshevik supporter in 1924


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Gators1985

no it would do the opposite.


twolvesfan9

La Follette literally denounced the USSR after visiting them


YourNewStep-Dad

“Socialist dystopia” as if we aren’t living in a capitalist dystopia


Gators1985

you say probably on your 100s of dollar PC being allowed to call this country a dystopia. Guess you think we should block all immigrants to save them from coming to this dystopia


OxygenesisWii

iphone vuvuzela 100 million


sdu754

The socialist here aren't smart enough to realize how great America is.


SuperLuigiGamer85

I see a lot of y’all saying that he would have been trash since Congress would oppose him, but if you think about it, if he was elected as president, wouldn’t ya think there also would have been tons of socialist congressman that would have won office as well?


stupid-cat-with-face

He would have been very inefficient as he would be unpopular in congress.


OtakuSirCosmoe

I can see that, Debs would've been disliked by both Republicans and Democrats


LashaKokaiaIsADooD

Triple Z tier


OtakuSirCosmoe

So is that bad or good? Sorry I don't get it lol


TatersTot

Worst President of all time lmao Imagine this guy leading us during WW1. Would’ve left the Allies to ruin Hate Wilson or not, you have to admit he did plenty of trust busting and progressive legislation during his time in office. Probably more than Debs could ever have accomplished


LashaKokaiaIsADooD

Bad.


Ill-Blacksmith-9545

I'd honestly think he would've been good


OtakuSirCosmoe

Me too


DatDude999

He would fulfill 0 of his campaign promises, given the whole "reject the establishment" thing making him unpopular in Congress.


2003Oakley

EUGENE DEBS EUGENE DEBS EUGENE DEBS (honestly even tho I love supporting him, probably D tier)


Dragonborn2088

Might have been beneficial to have a socialist president tbh, just so people could see firsthand what a disaster socialism is


sdu754

They would ignore the evidence and just say that "he didn't do it right".


TickLikesBombs

Fr lol


Mr_Smithsonian

-somebody who doesn’t know what socialism actually is


ellipses1

Believe it or not, some people know what socialism is and still don’t like it


YourNewStep-Dad

Believe it or not, living in the richest capitalist nation with the most billionaires has effected what people understand as socialism, especially during the Cold War that had rampant propaganda.


ellipses1

none of that has anything to do with what I said


sdu754

Didn't need propaganda, all you needed was to look at how poor the Soviet Union was.


SuperLuigiGamer85

Look at Cuba


realgeorgewalkerbush

collective ownership of the means of production doesn’t allow for the factors of production to be properly allocated


Dragonborn2088

"If she just got to know me, she'd see I have a great personality"


Hussarwithahat

Literally me


sdu754

Anyone who knows what socialism is knows that it is awful.


Mr_Smithsonian

-somebody who doesn’t know what socialism actually is


blooms01

S


OtakuSirCosmoe

I agree, Debs would've been a S tier president


Kerbonaut2019

List the reasons


OtakuSirCosmoe

Ok lol, I will admit that Debs would go down as a middle to low tier president, I like Eugene Debs as a person but as some people mention, he would've not had a good relationship with congress which would mean if he wanted a bill to pass, Democrats and Republicans would've just ripped it apart. Also tbh, I think he maybe could've brought popularity to the Socialist party which would maybe lead to some states electing Socialist as congressman/senators/representive if he got elected, which would've maybe helped him pass a bill he wanted. But I also think that even though I like Debs, he would've been a average to below average president due to the fact that a lot congressmen wouldn't like, so I will say that. I think his case (if he won the presidency) would be "Meh Foreign Policy, Decent Domestic Policy".


Kerbonaut2019

Would’ve gone down as one of, if not the worst President in American history


OtakuSirCosmoe

List the reasons


Blue387

He would have little support for his agenda from anyone in Congress


_Fruit_Loops_

I see what you mean, but would that really be a Debs problem? It sounds more like a “the government which Debs would have to work with” problem IMO.


MajorModernRedditor

Even then, there are other Presidents who made the country much worse while in office. I'd prefer someone who gets very little done than someone who gets a lot of bad things done. I'd probably give Debs either C or B tier.


NoUsernameHOI4

Bad


ManagementOk1134

It would've gone awfully. I have great respect for Debs but there is no way he would've got anything done.


OtakuSirCosmoe

I actually wrote that in another comment but I agree, congressmen would've ripped any bill he tried to pass apart


Gators1985

why do you respect him he was a corrupt union boss


ManagementOk1134

source?


Gators1985

the fact he strong armed governments to force unionization. He died an extremely wealthy man


Term_Best

No source.


Gators1985

how about the fact the pullman strike was completely unjust and was a ploy for the ARU to poach members from rival unions? That is literally a cartel


Term_Best

No source.


ManagementOk1134

I didn't ask for more reasoning, I asked for a source.


Gators1985

It would’ve been awful. He was a corrupt socialist labor union boss


sdu754

He was a socialist/communist, so our only hope would be that he couldn't get anything done.


SuthMaster04

1 term ineffective president akin to John Q. Adams if he managed to get elected by some miracle


PanHSA

The Congress would block most of his agenda, so probably not good


IAMMAN5

Germany might win WW1 or at least get a favorable peace if Debs wins 1912 due to his strict anti-intervention stance so 1912 Debs is F- for that alone.