A lot of people are saying that Debs wouldn’t have been able to get anything done because Congress would have blocked it, but I think it’s worth considering another point here . . . an America where Eugene Debs is elected President is an entirely different America than the one that actually existed in the early 1900s. It’s an America where Debs is genuinely popular - to a point anyway. And if that happened, Debs would probably have been able to get some - though not all, mind you - of his agenda passed through Congress
you say probably on your 100s of dollar PC being allowed to call this country a dystopia. Guess you think we should block all immigrants to save them from coming to this dystopia
I see a lot of y’all saying that he would have been trash since Congress would oppose him, but if you think about it, if he was elected as president, wouldn’t ya think there also would have been tons of socialist congressman that would have won office as well?
Worst President of all time lmao
Imagine this guy leading us during WW1. Would’ve left the Allies to ruin
Hate Wilson or not, you have to admit he did plenty of trust busting and progressive legislation during his time in office. Probably more than Debs could ever have accomplished
Believe it or not, living in the richest capitalist nation with the most billionaires has effected what people understand as socialism, especially during the Cold War that had rampant propaganda.
Ok lol, I will admit that Debs would go down as a middle to low tier president, I like Eugene Debs as a person but as some people mention, he would've not had a good relationship with congress which would mean if he wanted a bill to pass, Democrats and Republicans would've just ripped it apart. Also tbh, I think he maybe could've brought popularity to the Socialist party which would maybe lead to some states electing Socialist as congressman/senators/representive if he got elected, which would've maybe helped him pass a bill he wanted. But I also think that even though I like Debs, he would've been a average to below average president due to the fact that a lot congressmen wouldn't like, so I will say that. I think his case (if he won the presidency) would be "Meh Foreign Policy, Decent Domestic Policy".
Even then, there are other Presidents who made the country much worse while in office. I'd prefer someone who gets very little done than someone who gets a lot of bad things done. I'd probably give Debs either C or B tier.
Germany might win WW1 or at least get a favorable peace if Debs wins 1912 due to his strict anti-intervention stance so 1912 Debs is F- for that alone.
A lot of people are saying that Debs wouldn’t have been able to get anything done because Congress would have blocked it, but I think it’s worth considering another point here . . . an America where Eugene Debs is elected President is an entirely different America than the one that actually existed in the early 1900s. It’s an America where Debs is genuinely popular - to a point anyway. And if that happened, Debs would probably have been able to get some - though not all, mind you - of his agenda passed through Congress
Ok, you got a point and i do agree actually
and then he’d turn america into a socialist dystopia
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everyone being poor
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for one nationalization of railroads and phone lines. This is why he voted for the child murdering bolshevik supporter in 1924
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no it would do the opposite.
La Follette literally denounced the USSR after visiting them
“Socialist dystopia” as if we aren’t living in a capitalist dystopia
you say probably on your 100s of dollar PC being allowed to call this country a dystopia. Guess you think we should block all immigrants to save them from coming to this dystopia
iphone vuvuzela 100 million
The socialist here aren't smart enough to realize how great America is.
I see a lot of y’all saying that he would have been trash since Congress would oppose him, but if you think about it, if he was elected as president, wouldn’t ya think there also would have been tons of socialist congressman that would have won office as well?
He would have been very inefficient as he would be unpopular in congress.
I can see that, Debs would've been disliked by both Republicans and Democrats
Triple Z tier
So is that bad or good? Sorry I don't get it lol
Worst President of all time lmao Imagine this guy leading us during WW1. Would’ve left the Allies to ruin Hate Wilson or not, you have to admit he did plenty of trust busting and progressive legislation during his time in office. Probably more than Debs could ever have accomplished
Bad.
I'd honestly think he would've been good
Me too
He would fulfill 0 of his campaign promises, given the whole "reject the establishment" thing making him unpopular in Congress.
EUGENE DEBS EUGENE DEBS EUGENE DEBS (honestly even tho I love supporting him, probably D tier)
Might have been beneficial to have a socialist president tbh, just so people could see firsthand what a disaster socialism is
They would ignore the evidence and just say that "he didn't do it right".
Fr lol
-somebody who doesn’t know what socialism actually is
Believe it or not, some people know what socialism is and still don’t like it
Believe it or not, living in the richest capitalist nation with the most billionaires has effected what people understand as socialism, especially during the Cold War that had rampant propaganda.
none of that has anything to do with what I said
Didn't need propaganda, all you needed was to look at how poor the Soviet Union was.
Look at Cuba
collective ownership of the means of production doesn’t allow for the factors of production to be properly allocated
"If she just got to know me, she'd see I have a great personality"
Literally me
Anyone who knows what socialism is knows that it is awful.
-somebody who doesn’t know what socialism actually is
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I agree, Debs would've been a S tier president
List the reasons
Ok lol, I will admit that Debs would go down as a middle to low tier president, I like Eugene Debs as a person but as some people mention, he would've not had a good relationship with congress which would mean if he wanted a bill to pass, Democrats and Republicans would've just ripped it apart. Also tbh, I think he maybe could've brought popularity to the Socialist party which would maybe lead to some states electing Socialist as congressman/senators/representive if he got elected, which would've maybe helped him pass a bill he wanted. But I also think that even though I like Debs, he would've been a average to below average president due to the fact that a lot congressmen wouldn't like, so I will say that. I think his case (if he won the presidency) would be "Meh Foreign Policy, Decent Domestic Policy".
Would’ve gone down as one of, if not the worst President in American history
List the reasons
He would have little support for his agenda from anyone in Congress
I see what you mean, but would that really be a Debs problem? It sounds more like a “the government which Debs would have to work with” problem IMO.
Even then, there are other Presidents who made the country much worse while in office. I'd prefer someone who gets very little done than someone who gets a lot of bad things done. I'd probably give Debs either C or B tier.
Bad
It would've gone awfully. I have great respect for Debs but there is no way he would've got anything done.
I actually wrote that in another comment but I agree, congressmen would've ripped any bill he tried to pass apart
why do you respect him he was a corrupt union boss
source?
the fact he strong armed governments to force unionization. He died an extremely wealthy man
No source.
how about the fact the pullman strike was completely unjust and was a ploy for the ARU to poach members from rival unions? That is literally a cartel
No source.
I didn't ask for more reasoning, I asked for a source.
It would’ve been awful. He was a corrupt socialist labor union boss
He was a socialist/communist, so our only hope would be that he couldn't get anything done.
1 term ineffective president akin to John Q. Adams if he managed to get elected by some miracle
The Congress would block most of his agenda, so probably not good
Germany might win WW1 or at least get a favorable peace if Debs wins 1912 due to his strict anti-intervention stance so 1912 Debs is F- for that alone.