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mpm206

I'm on my second week of intentional unemployment and it's honestly been lovely. I have about a 2 year runway in savings (without touching retirement savings or the house deposit I've put together) but plan to start looking for work in about 6 months. It's honestly amazing in retrospect how much I worried and debated about taking the plunge, going over and over the numbers, seeking reassurance from family to the point I'm sure it was annoying. Ultimately I had a panic attack about a meeting and my wife encouraged me to take the leap. I get to go to the gym when it's empty now, work on passion projects that will ultimately make good portfolio pieces. I'm genuinely happy for the first time in a while. Edit: just wanted to add that I totally recognize the privilege of my situation. Most of what got me here is luck combined with putting up with corporate abuse.


funlovingfirerabbit

That’s awesome


Joewedg1

Brilliant mate, good for you


RealTourelle11

I bought a van with my wife 3 weeks ago, quit jobs and appartment 2 months ago (it's crazy how much money we saved not paying a rent) We plan on dpending the winter down south. Still can't realise how lucky we are. I definitely don't want yo be exploited like I used to.


DuvalHeart

> We plan on dpending the winter down south. Make sure you have a real plan. There are a lot of people in Florida living rough who had the exact same plan you do, then something went wrong. Have a back-up plan.


BendakStarkiller98

What are you talking about? That 40 degree .5 inch snowstorm yall had?


Joewedg1

Definitely


cjzj_1288

rent is America's worst pandemic


BigDumbIdiot43

I have applied to every remote job under the sun, and unfortunately most don’t want to hire somebody who’s entire work experience is behind a bar.


tech7271970

Now perhaps if you had worked behind bars, you'd have better luck... Seriously though, best of luck.


MurkeyShadow

Omg this. I'm trying. It's difficult to see how I can make it at times, but I'm trying. Fuck the system, fuck the man.


Joewedg1

Do it mate. Make yourself a short term exit strategy and stick to it


personableplant

That’s the plan hopefully. What kinda stuff do you do to make money? Always curious abt van lifers cuz I’m not sure what I’m gonna do yet


Joewedg1

Gardening and landscaping mostly, started off with friends and family now overcharge the lazy posh people to cut their grass haha. Selling clothes on eBay mainly now, used to sell loaded fire sticks and modded nintendo Wii’s, triple your money for an afternoons work. Also no tax on most of this. Once you start I found different things open up


vivantho

Starting seems to be hardest part. Am I right? Was it hard at the beginning? What do you do during winter?


Joewedg1

Also take the system for what u can, i get council tax relief, tax credits and all sorts. I even furloughed myself during the pandemic haha. I feel no guilt when u see how much the politicians and corporations rip every one off and feather their and their cronies beds


vivantho

So true with corpos and politicians.


thisismyfunnyname

I was wondering why you're paying council tax on a van but I think I misunderstood and thought you were living in it? Edit: I read your other comments Good on you, hope it all goes well for a long time


Joewedg1

Yeah definitely, skint at first but I was was skint anyway drinkin and sniffing my life away every weekend haha. I actually enjoy gardening, especially when u can do it wen u want to, if u do a brilliant job once a week instead of the minimum every day I found things happen for u. People still need things in winter, deliveries and eBay selling. Sounds like a lot but it’s not, 3 days a week is enough for me. Never missed a rent or bill payment


vivantho

Ah, nice, 3 days seems like a dream. Thanks for replying. I work in corpo and bulshit/brain washing is real pain. But thought on leaving that behind and stepping into unknown is stressing me / making nervous. Perhaps due to social conditioning.


Joewedg1

No problem glad I found this reddit, hav given up trying convince my friends. It’s like the matrix they are that indoctrinated they can’t be unplugged. I just take the piss out of them in the pub cuz they’re all losing their hair through stress haha


VroomRutabaga

Are you from the USA?


Joewedg1

UK mate


VroomRutabaga

That’s why you can do this. Your country also provides for the NHS. In the USA, we have employer based healthcare so in case you have a kidney stone attack like my husband had last week, you’d be bankrupt with medical bills without health insurance. In the US, We are all 1 serious medical bankruptcy away because we have no universal healthcare. It’s absolutely terrible.


Joewedg1

Yeah healthcare tied to employment is disgusting. Keeps you in constant fear. How you arnt rioting in the streets for a basic human rite I don’t understand.


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aerzyk

It is, but instead of stressing and slaving for an employer, it's for you. Some people might not think there's a difference, but mentally it feels better, imo


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aerzyk

👍 ok


Joewedg1

An odd day delivery driving if I need too 👍🏻


Gentleman_Jedi

I somehow maneuvered myself into teaching Muay Thai and boxing full time. I’ve never been happier. Busy! But so happy.


funlovingfirerabbit

So happy for you!


drtij_dzienz

Quit your job. Buy a van. Take your boyfriend on a road trip to national parks. Start a YouTube channel and social media presence to fund your travels. Get into fights with bf. he’s good though. Fights escalate. Tell the cops it was really my fault. Drive off to see the Grand Tetons once before you die…


FlowerEconomy

Oof... too soon?


whattheeffsba

We are closer and closer to saying eff it, buying a pop up camper or even converting our 18ft (somewhere along those lines of size) trailer and just going where the fuck we want. We both are 1099 independent contractors, we can work where and when we want (after years of working in the med field, I was laid off due to COVID last March and have been working these gig jobs since and making it work)… I’m from MO, my SO is from CA but has been here over half his life… neither one of us has traveled hardly at all, both of us have a bucket list of places we wanna see just here in the US, and both of us despise living in MO. Every month, working my ass off just to make rent and bills, with hardly anything left… it’s getting exhausting. Seriously debating this. Only thing holding me back so far is my kiddos… 13, 12 and almost 10… I don’t want to leave them and I won’t take them from their dad (he’s a damn good father and still my best friend)… so just trying to figure out how to make that part of it work. But I’m ready to say fuck it and just do it and go.


Ok_Gate_9357

I don't know if MO is anything like TX, but explore rural areas for unwanted land with no code enforcement. Abandoned developments, that sort of thing. I bought a half acre for about $2k a few years ago, then got a cheap camper to park on it. It took some strategy to make it work, and it's not for everyone (I have to haul in water and haul out waste). But if you can adjust your paradigm for what's necessary to live, you can reduce your mandatory expenses to stupidly low. I kept working after I got set up here and just shoveled that money into savings. After about 6 months, I had enough to live for two years without any additional income. I might go back to work, but if I do, it will be on my terms. I see lots of people driving around this area looking at land and there are always for sale signs out... So far, I still have no neighbors. I had one for a short while, but they didn't last long... XD Most people want to live in a house with perfect climate control, where their utilities magically work with no input from them... And more power to them. I would love to have that, too. But for me, the conveniences aren't worth trading my life away. If you can find a way to adjust your expectations of what is necessary, you may find that there are abundant opportunities all around.


whattheeffsba

Thanks for the advice!! 💜


kansas_slim

I put a 10 year exist strategy put in place early last year. 2030 I’m out regardless of how comfortable it will or won’t be. Taking the next decade to get everything in place - and in that time I have 100% gone all in with a “Office Space” work mentality which is making it very bearable. Working on finding a bus or van now to retrofit and work on over that time in preparation.


Joewedg1

That’s it mate, also when you know there’s an end date, doing that shit job is easier I found


HecknChonker

I have a some medical conditions that require me to have insurance, and in the US that is directly tied to your employer. I'd like to jump ship to a country with universal healthcare but that's harder than it sounds.


Piod1

Problem with a van life in UK. Its doable but not where it used to be. Having campervan on your logbook was a ticket to free parkup in many cases. The new crime and policing Bill makes it illegal to sleep in a vehicle without the landowners permission. As council's are de facto representatives of landowners this is a huge issue yet to be realised. Good luck


Joewedg1

Don’t live in my van mate, Sorry, obviously my post makes it seem like I do haha. Got a decent 2 bedroom flat. Just having a van is good for so many different things


Piod1

This is true. Enjoy your journey, namaste


Nekkat28

Not in a bad working space myself company wise just can't deal with the customers and other companies... the lies, always wanting something within the minute but can return if you need something! Everyone overselling themselves and for what? I earn a good wage but just can't be fucked anymore tbh! I working now on 5 streams of income and wrote a 7 year plan its been 1 year and it looks good! That Van life of your sounds fucking lit!


stellte

buying a van and living out of it is not feasible for people like me. i'm a woman and a lesbian -- that's asking to be murdered -- and i need running water and resources for my wife's chronic illness. glad it works for you, but not quite sure this is praxis. we should be fighting for better living for all and not touting just running away from the system


Joewedg1

I’m not living out of my van, it just enables you to do a few different jobs. Have a modest 2 bedroom flat, more than enough for a single person.


dpope88

I so would but my little boy needs school and apparently his mom needs child support. Fml


Joewedg1

Fair play, I dont have those responsibilities


dpope88

I get it though. Before my son I lived out of a book bag, hotel to hotel, couch to couch (didn't have a vehicle) and airport to airport. I often miss that level of freedom. Now I'm kinda nailed down with the 9-5 but ya know, money's cool too I guess. I'd rather build a portfolio of experiences.


SA3960

This is pretty much what I’ve done (but none of it is illegal). I paid off some bills and scaled my expenses way down during the pandemic. I cobble 2 side hustles together and make just enough to get by. My long term plan is to bail on this country. I hate it here and I’ve had enough of it. I’d be an expat already if not for Covid. I’ve canceled plans twice (because I made the plans expecting the pandemic to end) but everything is in place. As soon as international travel/immigration gets back to normal I’m out of here. I look through Indeed sometimes just for kicks and I see plenty of jobs I’m qualified for but I don’t want to encourage these fuckers. I want to starve them out. imdoingmypart.gif


Joewedg1

Definitely mate we owe these governments and companies nothing. They don’t give a fuck about u so don’t give a fuck about them.


funlovingfirerabbit

Hahaha well said! Amen Bro


Elissab123

I love this! So inspiring!


MistyWillowTree136

Quit my job after my car got hit since my employer didn't think not having transportation was a valid reason for not being able to go to work. I'm so happy right now and am currently working on making a career for myself. It's slow going but I have time.


el_goyo_rojo

This is what I've done. I sold all the crap I once thought was important. I travel to and live in countries with a good currency conversion and work a few jobs online. But I am now in charge of my time. I only wish I had started sooner.


gindreams

I put in my notice, last day is next Thursday. October is my favorite month, so my husband suggested I take at least part of it off before I look for a new job. I don’t exactly know what I’m going to do for income but I can’t stay at my current job. Working in the behavioral health industry during this pandemic has absolutely sucked.


Venusian_Princess_

Based


ImamChapo

Try that in Canada. Go out for a liquid shit at night and you won’t be back. 8 months of snow, it’ll happen.


kitty-dog-bear-bunny

I just randomly stumbled on this sub… So serious question: If everyone embraces this fuck the system idea, who is going to make the vans ? Who is going to maintain the roads to drive these vans on? Who is going to be apart of the massive supply chain to get oil out of the ground all the way to the pump where you fill up your van? Where are you going to get the ingredients for lasagna? If everyone embraces anti-work, how do humans not devolve into chaos?


Dismal_Satisfaction7

You're over thinking it. What we want is a small revolution. A new way of thinking. There's nothing wrong with hard productive work. I think it moves a man's soul. But slaving away at a call center job just to barely afford a small over priced shitty apartment and some piece of shit car barely making it to the end of the car loan? No. People are just saying no. CEO's making 300 times the lowest paid worker? No. There isn't a job in this country worth over 250k a year. Things are changing and it's scaring people. I say good.


kitty-dog-bear-bunny

Can’t say as I disagree with any of that reply. Cheers!


funlovingfirerabbit

Salud


Umamidog

Really well written. Why should any of us work any job if we can't get food and housing, what's the fucking point, to suffer, yep.


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Speaking of scared, looks like Fed-Ex is shitting themselves. They disclosed that they have major issues moving packages, and are rerouting 600K of them a day, since they can't keep their system operating with a lack of employees. Their costs are soaring, and they are failing miserable in their attempt to ramp up hiring. They have hubs that are understaffed by 35%. Their stock took a major hit when the facts were revealed. Too bad, so sad........................ Just my dark guess, but it gives me warm fuzzies to think that the American " Wild and senseless consuming like a bunch of starving feral hogs" tradition, known as Christmas, where we spend 3/4's of a TRILLION dollars on "holiday retail" might be an epic cluster-fuck. A severe lack of available needless shit to buy, as the global supply chain continues to crash, and a severely wounded delivery system, failing to Hump that shit all over the country, in a timely manner. Makes my inner Grinch delightfully happy.


Joewedg1

Bang on 👍🏻


DTSportsNow

Something I wanna add to what the other person already said. Look at how companies responded when people stopped putting up with unacceptable working conditions during the pandemic. They started offering better wages and more benefits. I think that is the root core of the anti-work revolution. It's not so much that no one should have a regular job, but that people working jobs that don't treat them well shouldn't have to. They should have a choice to not work. Let the corporations realize they need to treat people right or people won't work for them. If you have a good job where they treat you right and it works with how you want to live your life, then that is a blessing and you should stick with it. I'm not a regular here, but that's just my interpretation of anti-work.


Ok_Gate_9357

I think about this a lot. I really like what I did for a living before I quit recently. But it was a toxic environment that was slowly killing me. A month later, I don't HAVE to work. I have enough money to live my current lifestyle for about two years. If I took even a small part time job, I could comfortably maintain this lifestyle even longer. Possibly indefinitely, barring major illness (since I live in the US). But now that employers are knocking, asking if I am interested in a job, I'm entertaining their offers. Why? Because I LIKE to work. I enjoyed the kind of work I did, and I wouldn't mind going back to it for the right people. To be clear, I also know people who don't have to work and they are happy to sit on their ass all day. Most people who point to trust fund babies as an example of what happens when humans don't "need" to work have never actually known a trust fund kid personally. I know several, and grew up with them... Believe me, money is not why trust fund babies are useless garbage humans. Trust fund culture is to blame (but that's a whole other rant). Most humans function best when they feel that they are doing something useful. The point, I think, is that most modern work is not "useful." Most modern work is made-up bullshit. I have worked those jobs, too... Churning through the same work I did a year previous because if you can't trick people into buying the same thing over and over, the business isn't profitable... THAT is the kind of job that needs to go away. I wouldn’t go back to that kind of work for any amount of money. If those jobs went away, and everyone only did things that were actually useful (like producing cars to replace the ones that actually wear out, repairing roads, building functional houses of a reasonable size to be owned and lived in, clearing away garbage...) everyone could get away with only working 20 hours a week with no noticeable change in quality of life for anyone. And who knows? If we stopped exhausting the workforce to the point they can't think, we might actually come together and find a better solution than destroying the planet to fuel cars for transportation. Just for example. ;)


CHOLO_ORACLE

If vans really need to be made theyll pay top dollar for the laborers that make them. Embrace the chaos. Become ungovernable.


kitty-dog-bear-bunny

What exactly does ungovernable mean? I’m learning a lot from this sub.


TheThought-Fox

I don’t think you realise how much this post stinks of privilege.


Joewedg1

Maybe, but I worked dead end jobs for 10 years before I realised what a joke working life is for most people. I’ve paid my dues


Maleficent-Failz

A person's situation is a person's situation. Better or worse than others.. you've made the best of yours (for you) nothing wrong with that and it absolutely doesn't stink of privilege.. whatever that means.


TheThought-Fox

My problem with this is that the over-simplification of complex issues such as wage slavery trivialises the suffering of all worker. I’d advise against taking the advice of people three pints in who think they’ve solved your issues.


Joewedg1

Haha I agree, 6 in now and rambling probably


TheThought-Fox

Glad you agree. I’d like to add that I think you posted this to brag because you are proud of yourself for what you have achieved. I’m glad that you’re proud but saddened that your bragging had to be shrouded in the guise of helpful advice. If you really want to help, get involved in unions. Support strikes. Join a party or group that supports workers rights. The only actual way for people to stop the strife of wage slavery is to unionise and strike. Either that or sew the seeds of dissent against capitalism in your community (or on the internet).


mpm206

>sew the seeds of dissent against capitalism Sounds a lot like this post did a good job of sewing dissent.


TheThought-Fox

I’d love to elaborate on what I do for my community and which associations I work (of my own free will) with. Unfortunately I am quite paranoid about personal information. As well as that, I don’t feel the need to justify myself to such a throwaway comment.


mpm206

🤡


TheThought-Fox

Really don’t see what’s clownish about suggesting that people support unions and promote strike action. Whatever makes you feel better though pal.


Joewedg1

Nice lofty and virtuous goals mate. How’s all that working out for you though? Because you don’t seem happy and working life was general getting worse. Hopefully these external things like covid and climate will lead to change. They’ve shown people how little these companies value them and how fragile capitalism is 👍🏻


TheThought-Fox

I wouldn’t say my goals are lofty or virtuous mate. Kinda bare minimum really. Catch me between the hours of 9-5, mon-fri, and I will be fairly grumpy. Other than that though I’m very happy with how life is going. My happiness doesn’t really have anything to do with my general point though. Even if I was depressed, my point would still stand. I wouldn’t depend on factors external to myself to bring change for me and for others. I think that people should actively involve themselves in bringing change. If that’s controversial for this sub then clearly the members are not serious about their anti-work sentiments.


Maleficent-Failz

Or.. a man who found a slither of happiness in this fucked up system wanted to share how he did so after a few pints. Better to take advice from a happy man than one with a stick up his ass any day. Enjoy one for me OP!


Joewedg1

Haha cheers brother


Maleficent-Failz

Sister 😎👍


Joewedg1

Haha even better


TheThought-Fox

Sorry, perhaps I take this sub too seriously. Poopooweewee, let’s all move to the woods


TheThought-Fox

Yeah mate no worries I’ll just pull meself up by the bootstraps. Ignore the fact that people deal with a myriad of issues that you are happily not dealing with and continue with your inane advice. Enjoy your lasagne.


Joewedg1

Yeah maybe your not able to do what I did, but I thought we where all friends here on the anti work reddit haha, you do what you have to and so will I. Just sayin there is a way out.


RyeRaze

You're right, this is privileged. I mean, working on a minimum wage that doesn't assure your survival while being slaved by a guy who not only is getting rich because of your exploitation and at the same time treats you as a worthless, expendable bitch is far from privilege, therefore, good for this guy for having the balls to fuck the man before the man fucks him instead. I can only dream of doing something similar...


TheThought-Fox

I have no problem with the guy doing he’s doing. Good for him, honestly. I do have a problem with the broad assumption that others are able to do the same. It lacks acknowledgement of people’s very real, very difficult circumstances and makes a mockery of the difficulty of life under capitalism. No, I’m in the wrong. I’ll just buy a van and live in the woods.


The_Besticles

This was never an ableist attack, simply a small win that deserved some chuckles and maybe inspires someone on the fence to take a step out of wage slavedom. To some out there, gathering the courage to disengage may be critical to their mental health, their continued existence perhaps even. You’ve hinted that there are barriers for yourself to pursue this so I imagine lighthearted compassion comes at a difficulty amidst your plight and my heart goes out to you, tTF. If his post smells of privilege, I read yours and the bouquet is rife with heavy wafts of virtue signaling. Excuse me for all the above talk of beer has inspired me to crack a cold one as I return to my passion project (dissolving and breaking down rocks, hounding for crystals, minerals and what have you) good day, and cheers all!


TheThought-Fox

Frankly, I have realised now that I misunderstood the tone of this sub. I thought it was more politically aware than it is and was less about valorisation of individual ‘escapes’ (as you put it, although this is far from an example of escape), and more about affecting social change on mass. As a new member of Reddit itself, I took the whole thing too seriously. As far as the virtue signalling goes, whenever the word ‘privilege’ is mentioned, that’s the first thing people think of. I’m sorry that the word has been tainted for you but that says nothing of the points I’ve made around it. I get the sense that the only reason you made that statement was for the sake of mugging to the crowd, particularly with the over-heavy, melodramatic metaphor you attached and the cheery bye bye at the bottom. Although, it seems that most Redditors are this corny. It seems that while writing this comment I have realised that Reddit is not really for me. Thanks to all who aided this realisation.


The_Besticles

Sorry man it was the reach you made labeling the post ableist. It was needless and frankly could be insulting to others who may face impactful limitations in chronic or inherent ways. You woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something and the lesson for today is: lighten up. As an aside, there’s plenty of political concepts touched on here, but there’s tons of shitposting, trolling, and everything between that and discourse amongst our more serious malcontents regarding scientific facts and criticisms of government. No need to make it so narrowly focused, many comrades wouldn’t show up without the lighter side of things still appreciated..


TheThought-Fox

I didn’t label anything as ableist. I said that I had a problem with the broad assumption that everyone is capable of doing the same as op. Although I understand that it is easier to deal with an argument that you yourself have invented. As I’ve already said, I didn’t understand the tone of this sub. My bad.


RyeRaze

I'm somewhat agreeing with you. Hence why "I can only dream" thing.


AggressiveProblem654

go on youtube and watch cheap rv living channel. Dude literally has all the best tricks to live in your van comfortably year-round. These days, technology has progressed to the point where it is easy to live in a van year-round.


TRANSRIGHTSACTIVIST2

Anyone have any success using NEETpride's framework for a houseshare? https://neetpride.wordpress.com/2019/02/27/the-framework-for-the-neet-houseshare/


DirtyPartyMan

Joe…..well said my friend. Well said.


soreyonreddit

i actually fantasized about having an RV when i was 10 yrs old. might be a reality considering housing costs lol


el-cuko

Talk to me about the non-violent , less-than-legal revenue streams


hdero13

I mean yeah... but what?


ArctiaCaja98

But I don't want to live in a van... I just want a house lmao


kswizzle11

Omg I love ‘Trainspotting’ too😍😍


aj1619

Funny Americans, like honestly stuff like this is what makes me question the existence of America


Joewedg1

Not sure what you mean, also I’m English


Umamidog

Fuck you too


agonza55

What about those who have kids?


Joewedg1

That’s makes things harder definitely. I’d still say try to work for yourself though, much happier life. Hardly saw my dad growing up, he was either at work, the pub or miserable, don’t think I had a conversation with him until I was in my 20s haha, get on awesome since he retired due to ill health. Don’t want that for my kids


DogMeatDelicious

I would love to do this, but sadly I can not. My plans lays elsewhere. One that requires me to have the necessary skills in an extremely competitive environment. The most I can give you is I am not planning on staying within the US.


ironman_101

I'm going to get downvoted but it's not cut out for everyone. As much as I agree with it, there is a huge downside to this. What sort of savings or retirement plans do you have? Do you plan on living in a van permanently? Do you have any emergency funds? Healthcare? This is the easy solution for now, but look at the future. I agree that you shouldn't slave away at your current jobs. But, you shouldn't abort ship unless you have a real backup plan. Work on something on the side which can provide you a steady income. When that's stable, you can work on that full time and be your own boss. It all depends on everyone's age and where they are at in life.


Joewedg1

I’m in the uk so get healthcare without having to pay for that basic human right. Wasn’t really bothered about retirement money, I thought by the time I’m old enough to need care, the way things are going they’ll just euthanise us peasants and throw us in a skip haha. Things might be improving though so will probably start a private pension this year


Successful_Seesaw_47

Hate to break it to you, you are still in a rat race, just a different version.


Joewedg1

Maybe, dosnt feel like it though


Successful_Seesaw_47

It will when you get busted for the illegal shit.


MintPlz

Hey OP! I’m relatively young so I’m confused about this whole “buy a van” part like. You’re saying live in a van? But then don’t you still need property to park said van? Like how is this sustainable? Thanks <3


Joewedg1

I don’t live in my van mate, sorry I know the post makes it seem like I do haha. Just buying a van has opened up so many possibilities and different jobs for me


thelovelyonion

Just saving up for that van and that's me.


toomuchLDS

I can smell this post. 2/10.


Joewedg1

Smells like freedom haha