"I’ve never really liked my story in The Killing Joke. I think it put far too much melodramatic weight upon a character that was never designed to carry it. It was too nasty, it was too physically violent. There were some good things about it, but in terms of my writing, it’s not one of my favorite pieces. If, as I said, god forbid, I was ever writing a character like Batman again, I’d probably be setting it squarely in the kind of “smiley uncle" period where Dick Sprang was drawing it, and where you had Ace the Bat-Hound and Bat-Mite, and the zebra Batman—when it was sillier. Because then, it was brimming with imagination and playful ideas. I don’t think that the world needs that many brooding psychopathic avengers. I don’t know that we need any. It was a disappointment to me, how Watchmen was absorbed into the mainstream. It had originally been meant as an indication of what people could do that was new. I’d originally thought that with works like Watchmen and Marvelman, I’d be able to say, “Look, this is what you can do with these stale old concepts. You can turn them on their heads. You can really wake them up. Don’t be so limited in your thinking. Use your imagination.” And, I was naively hoping that there’d be a rush of fresh and original work by people coming up with their own. But, as I said, it was meant to be something that would liberate comics. Instead, it became this massive stumbling block that comics can’t even really seem to get around to this day. They’ve lost a lot of their original innocence, and they can’t get that back. And, they’re stuck, it seems, in this kind of depressive ghetto of grimness and psychosis. I’m not too proud of being the author of that regrettable trend."
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"“I think the impact of superheroes on popular culture is both tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying,” said Moore. “While these characters were originally perfectly suited to stimulating the imaginations of their twelve or thirteen-year-old audience, today’s franchised übermenschen, aimed at a supposedly adult audience, seem to be serving some kind of different function, and fulfilling different needs.”
He continued, “Primarily, mass-market superhero movies seem to be abetting an audience who do not wish to relinquish their grip on (a) their relatively reassuring childhoods, or (b) the relatively reassuring 20th century. The continuing popularity of these movies to me suggests some kind of deliberate, self-imposed state of emotional arrest, combined with a numbing condition of cultural stasis that can be witnessed in comics, movies, popular music and, indeed, right across the cultural spectrum.... I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators) these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race,” Moore said. “In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s ‘Birth of a Nation’ as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks.”
Just read [From Hell](https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/From-Hell-2009/TPB-Part-1?id=81697&readType=1). The thousands of words dedicated to the analysis of London's architecture through the lens of feminism will tell you everything you need to know.
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The best part is that whenever this is brought up Rorschach stans bend over backwards to explain how he never understood his own story and stuff like that.
People will be like "Uggghhh I don't wanna learn bout no English or anything. Just teach me how to do a job and pay taxes," when unironic Rorschach fans exist.
Antiheroes are compelling characters, but nobody should aspire to be an antihero in real life. Pure cringe.
If antiheroes saw themselves as such, they wouldn't be antiheroes. We as the audience get to see these characters acting, and we get the benefit of perspective. But, this new wave of trendy antiheroes just gave the world's assholes an excuse.
Yeah, I'm looking at you, Dr. House.
"so what could it be doctor?" "Fuck you you dumb ugly bitch (takes 7 painkillers) from the way your eyebrow looks I'd say you have stage 3 colon cancer."
Beyond being a psychopath he also performs (and is said to have performed in the past) heroic deeds. I think he's an anti-hero in every sense of the word.
That was indeed pretty solid. And the image of Batman and Wonder woman showing up in costume at the ice fortress to give Superman a birthday present is pure gold.
He accidentally helped kickstarting the "gritty, brooding" superhero subgenre by trying to explain to the world how stupid that would be. He hates the influence Watchmen had in comicbooks because Watchmen is a hate letter to those kind of stories
He also just regrets fridging Barbara because that's a shitty trope and he's self-aware.
I think the series was probably based off an [interview alan moore gave in 2017](https://alanmooreworld.blogspot.com/2019/11/moore-on-jerusalem-eternalism-anarchy.html):
> What was the impact of popular heroes comic books in our culture? Why are people fascinated by alternative realities?
>
> I think the impact of superheroes on popular culture is both tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying. While these characters were originally perfectly suited to stimulating the imaginations of their twelve or thirteen year-old audience, today’s franchised übermenschen, aimed at a supposedly adult audience, seem to be serving some kind of different function, and fulfilling different needs. Primarily, mass-market superhero movies seem to be abetting an audience who do not wish to relinquish their grip on (a) their relatively reassuring childhoods, or (b) the relatively reassuring 20th century. The continuing popularity of these movies to me suggests some kind of deliberate, self-imposed state of emotional arrest, combined with an numbing condition of cultural stasis that can be witnessed in comics, movies, popular music and, indeed, right across the cultural spectrum. The superheroes themselves – largely written and drawn by creators who have never stood up for their own rights against the companies that employ them, much less the rights of a Jack Kirby or Jerry Siegel or Joe Schuster – would seem to be largely employed as cowardice compensators, perhaps a bit like the handgun on the nightstand. I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators) these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race. In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks.
That said, despite my absolutely loving Regina King in it, it felt a little scattered compared to the comic boom series.
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I don't think he watched anything after The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Watchmen is probably the thing he hates the most anyway as DC keeps printing it to keep the rights to themselves. It was sort of an f-up from their side.
However, as even I hated how Lindelof treated Dr. Manhattan, I think it's not a wild guess he would have too.
I could totally see the problem with the way they used Dr. Manhattan. The most powerful being in the universe, and all it takes to stop him is a cage made of lithium batteries? That was really my only gripe though.
He didn't voice vocal hatred for it, but he wasn't really on board for it. Damon Lindelof himself has said that if you really want to pay utmost respect to Alan Moore's wishes, you probably shouldn't watch the show. Personally, I think of it as something incredible that exists relatively separate from the original comic. It draws from it, but does so in order to create something new, rather than specifically to represent the original work.
He asked not to be involved with it, I personally didn‘t mind the show as a standalone but I don‘t think it continued the original characters very well. I‘m aware I‘m in the minority on that though
They really had to walk back a lot of Dr Manhattan's character arc for it to make sense for him to be on the show. Went from a whole story of realizing he's completely indifferent to human life in the original, to wanting to create human life, to deciding he wants to *be* a human.
Out of the original characters I think I only really liked what they did with Adrian, thinking of himself so highly just to become this loser that humanity doesn't even need anymore (though his ending was a bit anticlimactic)
I *really* doubt he'd like it. Alan Moore's personal religious beliefs are extremely esoteric, and I doubt he'd approve of Dr Manhattan being reimagined as an unabashed Jesus allegory. That said, his personal views on superheroes and his older work has soured substantially in the last couple of decades, so he's probably pretty far past caring.
You hate Christ-allegories because they are overdone in and think it's not good that society treats fictional characters like Jesus.
I hate Christ-allegories because I am a raging anti-theist and think that it's already bad enough that we treat Jesus like Jesus.
We are not the same.
Mostly, I hate Damon Lindelof's writing style, including his tendency to slap Christian symbolism into stories that have absolutely nothing to do with it (see: the old script for Prometheus). As for Jesus, say what you will about his dad, the bit where he told his followers to gouge out their eyes if they couldn't stop thinking with their dicks was pretty great, especially compared to what his followers teach these days.
I had a buddy who tried getting me into “normal” comic books, but I was all like, “No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, “This is more my scene.
>No one is having sex or killing each other.
I know this is a joke but my mind immediately went to 2020's X-Men comics, where everyone has orgies and gets killed for fun
> I know this is a joke
pretty sure it’s an actual [zack snyder quote](https://legendsrevealed.com/entertainment/2020/12/03/zack-snyder-normal-comics-lack-sex-killing-watchmen/), for real
The man just opens his mouth and spits gold. Makes it infinitely funnier the way Hollywood has adapted so many of his comics while completely missed the point of every one of them.
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Is anybody a good guy in watchmen? Maybe Dr. Manhattan after he learns his lesson.
Edit: I should clarify. Perhaps not a "good" guy but deciding that human life is worth saving is a huge change in the good direction.
You mean the guy that pretends to be above it all, while clearly isn't, allowing and enacting murder and genocide and then when he realizes he's been a tool just walks away while trying to fix nothing of what he did?
I mean, Dr Manhattan is literally me
How about when Dr. Manhattan blows up Rorschach because he wanted to tell people the truth of what Ozymandias did? That just amplifies the amount of literally me-ness of Dr. Manhattan.
You are literally making a classic pedophile argument to justify having sex with teenage minors as an older adult. It's still pedophilia, my man. And not only was Laurie a minor but Manhattan was 21 years older than her. Not to mention the fact the fact that he is a God with a much greater intellect than any human and him being a God who could destroy the universe and bend it to his will if he wanted to. There is both a massive power imbalance from experience and literal power level between both of them. How is this in anyway okay?
Just because it's not a literal elementary kid doesn't make not creepy. Also, just because it is legal in some places does not make it alright. It's still not okay to want to fuck minors. By that logic, you could just argue that it is okay for another country to make homosexuality a death penalty or at the very least imprisonment because it is technically law that gay people need to go through that. You yourself are ruining the meaning and danger of pedophilia by just making it exclusively about fucking toddlers and making it seem totally okay if a full grown adult fucks a high schooler because it's not technically pedophilia but ephebophilia (which is basically just pedophilia: the sequel.)
Your first comment strongly implied defense for the relationship between Manhattan and Laurie, which should be entirely codemned and there are people who defend much older adults having sex with teenage girls/boys by using the definitional argument in that it TECHNICALLY isn't pedophilia but ephebophilia, which is not okay at all if you are, for example, a 30-something man dating a sophomore high schooler. Highschoolers cannot consent to sex or a relationship with a much older adult, which is what is going with Manhattan and Laurie and we should see that as nearly as much of a crime as an adult having sex with a middle schooler. My definition does not water down pedophilia but it broadens how child abuse can manifest and how a lot of ephebophilia-leaning people also tend to fuck/want to fuck kids too.
Alan Moore try not to have the most based quotes of all time challenge (impossible)
"Sometimes, you have to kill" - Alan Moore
Me as I crush another spotted lanternfly
[Remember that time Alan Moore showed up on an episode of The Simpsons just to vent about DC Comics?](https://youtu.be/mKgblaifX1s?t=50)
Watchmen Babies and V for Vacation are so good Lmao
And coming from Milhouse, hardest I’ve laughed all day
Lisa reading Ghost World at 8 feels weird. There's child p*rn drawn on like page 5 or something.
Even weirder, out of all the comics to use for Alan Moore's book signing, the show advertises The Lost Girls, which is literally pornography.
Anal Roome. All the signs were there. This is our fault.
I know nothing about him except this quote, what are some other bangers of his?
"I’ve never really liked my story in The Killing Joke. I think it put far too much melodramatic weight upon a character that was never designed to carry it. It was too nasty, it was too physically violent. There were some good things about it, but in terms of my writing, it’s not one of my favorite pieces. If, as I said, god forbid, I was ever writing a character like Batman again, I’d probably be setting it squarely in the kind of “smiley uncle" period where Dick Sprang was drawing it, and where you had Ace the Bat-Hound and Bat-Mite, and the zebra Batman—when it was sillier. Because then, it was brimming with imagination and playful ideas. I don’t think that the world needs that many brooding psychopathic avengers. I don’t know that we need any. It was a disappointment to me, how Watchmen was absorbed into the mainstream. It had originally been meant as an indication of what people could do that was new. I’d originally thought that with works like Watchmen and Marvelman, I’d be able to say, “Look, this is what you can do with these stale old concepts. You can turn them on their heads. You can really wake them up. Don’t be so limited in your thinking. Use your imagination.” And, I was naively hoping that there’d be a rush of fresh and original work by people coming up with their own. But, as I said, it was meant to be something that would liberate comics. Instead, it became this massive stumbling block that comics can’t even really seem to get around to this day. They’ve lost a lot of their original innocence, and they can’t get that back. And, they’re stuck, it seems, in this kind of depressive ghetto of grimness and psychosis. I’m not too proud of being the author of that regrettable trend."
Least based Alan Moore quote.
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Shut the fuck up, Cornelius. You're late.
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Shut the fuck up Cornelius
"“I think the impact of superheroes on popular culture is both tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying,” said Moore. “While these characters were originally perfectly suited to stimulating the imaginations of their twelve or thirteen-year-old audience, today’s franchised übermenschen, aimed at a supposedly adult audience, seem to be serving some kind of different function, and fulfilling different needs.” He continued, “Primarily, mass-market superhero movies seem to be abetting an audience who do not wish to relinquish their grip on (a) their relatively reassuring childhoods, or (b) the relatively reassuring 20th century. The continuing popularity of these movies to me suggests some kind of deliberate, self-imposed state of emotional arrest, combined with a numbing condition of cultural stasis that can be witnessed in comics, movies, popular music and, indeed, right across the cultural spectrum.... I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators) these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race,” Moore said. “In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s ‘Birth of a Nation’ as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks.”
I can actually feel the heat
This is critical level of basedness being displayed here.
That started at a 10 and turned up to 100 real quick
Well guess on his latest works adults need to read porn books only. "Providence" was a hard read (even as a Lovecraft fan)
>People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.
Just read [From Hell](https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/From-Hell-2009/TPB-Part-1?id=81697&readType=1). The thousands of words dedicated to the analysis of London's architecture through the lens of feminism will tell you everything you need to know.
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r/copypasta hated cummybot quite a bit, although I think that was taken care of some while ago
They will never find your body
Common Alan Moore W
Is this a r/moviescirclejerk and r/dccomicscirclejerk crossover episode?
A vein diagram of the two would be a circle
I think it would be a bunch of squiggly lines.
they have become one and the same and I'm all for it
The best part is that whenever this is brought up Rorschach stans bend over backwards to explain how he never understood his own story and stuff like that.
Unironic Rorschach fans trying not to be media illiterate challenge % Speedrun (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG) (GONE SEXUAL)
People will be like "Uggghhh I don't wanna learn bout no English or anything. Just teach me how to do a job and pay taxes," when unironic Rorschach fans exist.
People will be like "blue curtains means it's just blue curtains" when unironic Rorschach fans exist.
gone sexual? Rorschussy confirmed (I hate myself for writing this)
This is one of the sins Jesus didn't die for, you're on your own.
I downvoted you
I hate you too.
Smells like expired baked beans
🤤
Antiheroes are compelling characters, but nobody should aspire to be an antihero in real life. Pure cringe. If antiheroes saw themselves as such, they wouldn't be antiheroes. We as the audience get to see these characters acting, and we get the benefit of perspective. But, this new wave of trendy antiheroes just gave the world's assholes an excuse. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Dr. House.
"so what could it be doctor?" "Fuck you you dumb ugly bitch (takes 7 painkillers) from the way your eyebrow looks I'd say you have stage 3 colon cancer."
Female character: He’s right! And sooooooo charming to me! 😍
Wow, that's just like me! Because I'm also a self-declared genius asshole who doesn't give a fuck about his job.
Come on, it’s not House’s fault that being hopelessly miserable is a romanticized quality.
Second thread in the span of 2 minutes where House MD was mentioned Shits wack yo
rorschach isn't even an antihero, he's just a psychopathic moron
Beyond being a psychopath he also performs (and is said to have performed in the past) heroic deeds. I think he's an anti-hero in every sense of the word.
Yeah, he only goes completely insane after he sees the dude who cannibalised a little girl right?
I fucking love Alan Moore, more and more, the more I learn about him.
I highly recommend buying “Conversations with Alan Moore” such a great read.
Don’t look up what Alan Moore allegedly did on august 23rd 1992
huh?
The joke is that I made it the fuck up
sheesh, had me worried there man
you mother fucker
No one hates Alan Moore’s work more than Alan Moore. The only thing he might hates more are all the adaptations of them.
Except that Justice League Unlimited episode probably.
Which one?
They did a kiddified adaptation of “what did you give for the man who has everything” and it’s the only adaptation that Moore likes.
He also liked the Saturday morning watchman parody
Iirc it was Dave Gibbons that liked it. I don't think Moore ever saw it.
That was indeed pretty solid. And the image of Batman and Wonder woman showing up in costume at the ice fortress to give Superman a birthday present is pure gold.
"For the man who has everything" It's good
Only flaw is it doesn't show Mongul winning for a few seconds before cutting to him and the Black Mercy. Perfect otherwise.
Tbf JLU is kino so not a surprise
He accidentally helped kickstarting the "gritty, brooding" superhero subgenre by trying to explain to the world how stupid that would be. He hates the influence Watchmen had in comicbooks because Watchmen is a hate letter to those kind of stories He also just regrets fridging Barbara because that's a shitty trope and he's self-aware.
[If he doesn't like Saturday Morning Watchmen,](https://youtu.be/YDDHHrt6l4w) he has no taste
Did he ever say anything about the HBO watchmen series? Because that show was excellent.
That’s not really an adaptation of the original story though, right? More like a sequel of sorts.
I think the series was probably based off an [interview alan moore gave in 2017](https://alanmooreworld.blogspot.com/2019/11/moore-on-jerusalem-eternalism-anarchy.html): > What was the impact of popular heroes comic books in our culture? Why are people fascinated by alternative realities? > > I think the impact of superheroes on popular culture is both tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying. While these characters were originally perfectly suited to stimulating the imaginations of their twelve or thirteen year-old audience, today’s franchised übermenschen, aimed at a supposedly adult audience, seem to be serving some kind of different function, and fulfilling different needs. Primarily, mass-market superhero movies seem to be abetting an audience who do not wish to relinquish their grip on (a) their relatively reassuring childhoods, or (b) the relatively reassuring 20th century. The continuing popularity of these movies to me suggests some kind of deliberate, self-imposed state of emotional arrest, combined with an numbing condition of cultural stasis that can be witnessed in comics, movies, popular music and, indeed, right across the cultural spectrum. The superheroes themselves – largely written and drawn by creators who have never stood up for their own rights against the companies that employ them, much less the rights of a Jack Kirby or Jerry Siegel or Joe Schuster – would seem to be largely employed as cowardice compensators, perhaps a bit like the handgun on the nightstand. I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators) these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race. In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks. That said, despite my absolutely loving Regina King in it, it felt a little scattered compared to the comic boom series.
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It did follow from the book though, it was the movie it didn't follow on from
Fair enough, my mistake, I think this would be a good opportunity for me to re-read the book lol
It does follow on
Oops fair enough, my bad, I should most definitely give the book a re-read
I don't think he watched anything after The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Watchmen is probably the thing he hates the most anyway as DC keeps printing it to keep the rights to themselves. It was sort of an f-up from their side. However, as even I hated how Lindelof treated Dr. Manhattan, I think it's not a wild guess he would have too.
I could totally see the problem with the way they used Dr. Manhattan. The most powerful being in the universe, and all it takes to stop him is a cage made of lithium batteries? That was really my only gripe though.
It didn’t stop him though. He knew it was going to happen and planned for it the way he was fated to. They cover all this in the show.
He didn't voice vocal hatred for it, but he wasn't really on board for it. Damon Lindelof himself has said that if you really want to pay utmost respect to Alan Moore's wishes, you probably shouldn't watch the show. Personally, I think of it as something incredible that exists relatively separate from the original comic. It draws from it, but does so in order to create something new, rather than specifically to represent the original work.
He asked not to be involved with it, I personally didn‘t mind the show as a standalone but I don‘t think it continued the original characters very well. I‘m aware I‘m in the minority on that though
They really had to walk back a lot of Dr Manhattan's character arc for it to make sense for him to be on the show. Went from a whole story of realizing he's completely indifferent to human life in the original, to wanting to create human life, to deciding he wants to *be* a human. Out of the original characters I think I only really liked what they did with Adrian, thinking of himself so highly just to become this loser that humanity doesn't even need anymore (though his ending was a bit anticlimactic)
The show was kinda meh the more I think about it, but I liked what they did with Hooded Justice
Oh right I kind of forgot Hooded Justice was even in the original, definitely like what they did with him
I *really* doubt he'd like it. Alan Moore's personal religious beliefs are extremely esoteric, and I doubt he'd approve of Dr Manhattan being reimagined as an unabashed Jesus allegory. That said, his personal views on superheroes and his older work has soured substantially in the last couple of decades, so he's probably pretty far past caring.
You hate Christ-allegories because they are overdone in and think it's not good that society treats fictional characters like Jesus. I hate Christ-allegories because I am a raging anti-theist and think that it's already bad enough that we treat Jesus like Jesus. We are not the same.
Mostly, I hate Damon Lindelof's writing style, including his tendency to slap Christian symbolism into stories that have absolutely nothing to do with it (see: the old script for Prometheus). As for Jesus, say what you will about his dad, the bit where he told his followers to gouge out their eyes if they couldn't stop thinking with their dicks was pretty great, especially compared to what his followers teach these days.
"I am a raging anti-theist" 🤓
I doubt he’s even seen it
That show was copaganda trash and he probably would have hated it
What an idiot Alan Moore is, of course Rorschach is supposed to be idolised, did he even watch the movie. Smh ( sake my head)
I had a buddy who tried getting me into “normal” comic books, but I was all like, “No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, “This is more my scene.
>No one is having sex or killing each other. I know this is a joke but my mind immediately went to 2020's X-Men comics, where everyone has orgies and gets killed for fun
The Boys (2006-20012)
>(2006-20012) Wow, incredible that The Boys lasted for so long,
Garth Ennis uploaded his brain to brutally murder every superhero ever.
The power of head explosions and Karl Urban saying "awoo"
Except that when Jonathan Hickman does it it's cool and fun and when Garth Ennis does it it's cringe This applies to most things in life
its meant to be cringe though. The supes are awful people
Did you read the comics? They’re just unbearably bad
nah i quite like them. I respect that it doesnt hold back at all
> I know this is a joke pretty sure it’s an actual [zack snyder quote](https://legendsrevealed.com/entertainment/2020/12/03/zack-snyder-normal-comics-lack-sex-killing-watchmen/), for real
What the fuck
in context it's not as bad tbh but still
The man just opens his mouth and spits gold. Makes it infinitely funnier the way Hollywood has adapted so many of his comics while completely missed the point of every one of them.
Alan Moore is literally me 🤩🤩🤩
Alan Moore is still the greatest Simpsons cameo CMV
Watchmen Babies was amazing 🙂
"Oh little Lulu I love you-lu just the same. Ah"
Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny
Me, a fucking idiot: "Isn't The Owl supposed to be Batguy?"
They both have pointy ears. Maybe that as the whole point of watchmen
Blue Beetle actually
We can only hope to be as based as Moore, Gaiman, and Spiegelman
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I like Rorschach because his mask is cool
Pfft idiots worshiping Rorschach, exactly why Dr. Manhattan is my favorite character,
When I was a kid I was all in on Ozymandius
im going on the rorschach diet
A lot of Alan Moore’s idiosyncrasies are super enjoyable but he also gives off serious dirty old man vibes
Ran into the ol "Whoopsie, I made the reactionary character too cool" moment.
Is anybody a good guy in watchmen? Maybe Dr. Manhattan after he learns his lesson. Edit: I should clarify. Perhaps not a "good" guy but deciding that human life is worth saving is a huge change in the good direction.
You mean the guy that pretends to be above it all, while clearly isn't, allowing and enacting murder and genocide and then when he realizes he's been a tool just walks away while trying to fix nothing of what he did? I mean, Dr Manhattan is literally me
How about when Dr. Manhattan blows up Rorschach because he wanted to tell people the truth of what Ozymandias did? That just amplifies the amount of literally me-ness of Dr. Manhattan.
[It’s so sad steve jobs died of ligma](https://youtu.be/mFyUrebJbDg)
Also, he's a pedophile.
That too. And a murderer.
Wait wha?
Met and got into a relationship with Laurie (the main female character) when she was just 16.
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Americans try not to view anyone under 25 as a literal child challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
You are literally making a classic pedophile argument to justify having sex with teenage minors as an older adult. It's still pedophilia, my man. And not only was Laurie a minor but Manhattan was 21 years older than her. Not to mention the fact the fact that he is a God with a much greater intellect than any human and him being a God who could destroy the universe and bend it to his will if he wanted to. There is both a massive power imbalance from experience and literal power level between both of them. How is this in anyway okay? Just because it's not a literal elementary kid doesn't make not creepy. Also, just because it is legal in some places does not make it alright. It's still not okay to want to fuck minors. By that logic, you could just argue that it is okay for another country to make homosexuality a death penalty or at the very least imprisonment because it is technically law that gay people need to go through that. You yourself are ruining the meaning and danger of pedophilia by just making it exclusively about fucking toddlers and making it seem totally okay if a full grown adult fucks a high schooler because it's not technically pedophilia but ephebophilia (which is basically just pedophilia: the sequel.)
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This isn’t the hill to die on, dude
Your first comment strongly implied defense for the relationship between Manhattan and Laurie, which should be entirely codemned and there are people who defend much older adults having sex with teenage girls/boys by using the definitional argument in that it TECHNICALLY isn't pedophilia but ephebophilia, which is not okay at all if you are, for example, a 30-something man dating a sophomore high schooler. Highschoolers cannot consent to sex or a relationship with a much older adult, which is what is going with Manhattan and Laurie and we should see that as nearly as much of a crime as an adult having sex with a middle schooler. My definition does not water down pedophilia but it broadens how child abuse can manifest and how a lot of ephebophilia-leaning people also tend to fuck/want to fuck kids too.
Akshually, it's ephebophilia 🤓.
My boy Dr M never allowed or enacted ANY genocide.
He must have done some light war crimes in Vietnam, everyone else did.
Not him, he's different
Dan and Laurie?
The Nite Owls, both of them.
Dan Dreiberg?
Tf bro
He’s still an interesting character. And I don’t know who can watch that prison cafeteria scene and not think that was badass
Anyone that wouldnt want to be in prison?