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Putin says Russia would accept conditional handover of cyber criminals to U.S.

Putin says Russia would accept conditional handover of cyber criminals to U.S.

wreckanoyter

Russian cyber criminals: "But you ordered us to do it..."


Grump_Monk

"You are making me uncomfortable."


T5-R

“I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.”


EmperorXerro

A garrison is going to be left behind.


imdefinitelywong

[This deal](https://youtu.be/WpE_xMRiCLE) is getting worse all the time.


PotatoWriter

It's like the beginning of dark knight rises "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother!"


lach3v

Have we started the fire?


killserv

Yes. The fire rises!


treachery_pengin

That's a big quote


Hestemayn

For you...


PanGoliath

Do you feel in charge?


Almainyny

You’re useful, until you’re not. Once that usefulness ends…


Red_V_Standing_By

Putin: “Yeah. And if you fuck something up I’ll hand you over to the enemy.”


ProfessionalPin3

"Hold on. This whole operation was your idea"


corrosiveicon1952

Offer Trump to the Russians !


STD_free_since_2019

Or anyone else who will take him. As long as they promise never to give him back. Dont forget his grifting family too.


International_XT

It'd be hilarious if Putin offered Trump to the Americans.


Gurgiwurgi

"Yes, yes, but why don't you come take a look at the beautiful view from this window over here..."


Advanced-Talk2736

The really didn't.


rallykrally

We have no idea but don't tell that to the Americans. They already made up their mind on that


I_Frunksteen-Blucher

[This should give you some idea](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/international-hacker-hire-who-conspired-and-aided-russian-fsb-officers-sentenced-60-months). Let me know if you're not convinced and I'll provide more cases.


[deleted]

Do you two just kinda live in a different reality, or what?


Qaz_

I mean, the statement that Russia didn't order them to hack is "kinda" true, but it really depends on the circumstances. There's a ton of cybercrime in the CIS region - many malicious programs will first check to see if your computer's region/language is set to languages present in the CIS region: Russian, Ukrainian, etc. Much of it right now is ransomware, identity/credit card theft, and fraud. It's not like they are getting paid by the FSB to go out and commit these crimes, but rather that the Russian government turn a blind eye as long as it doesn't impact people domestically. They also don't extradite people - which helps criminals a lot... There are also instances where major players in these criminal networks have some connections to government (one case - the person's father was a member of the State Duma); those people have been protected more explicitly. But they could have likely done some other job if they wanted to - it's just that fraud was very lucrative & they knew they were being protected. Of course, there's also state-sponsored hacking. It would be naïve to think that Russia - or the US, or any large country really - doesn't engage in this. Those are the people on the FSB payroll, and they probably are excluded from this "deal" that Putin is talking about.


WildCard911

He's not going to hand over anyone. He'll say I'll give you our "cyber criminals" if you hand over those pesky CIA agents who are "doing the same" and Biden won't do that. So then we're back to the same old shit.


HaoleHelpDesk

This is all about Putin trying to create the impression that he is acting in good faith, and the Americans are not. Of course, behind the scenes they constantly work and re-work every back channel of “negotiation” to actually facilitate their operations. Any head of the KGB worth their salt would do the same. Most of that never gets very far, so the focus now and for the foreseeable future is all about soft power. It offers a greater ROI, and exploits the very strengths of our free society as a means of perpetuating their oppression. Russia had a military parade in Seattle a few weeks ago, under the guise of a “cultural event,” and they have an actual militia in Australia, with uniforms and everything. In Russia, a citizen cannot even stand on the corner with a sign. There is no freedom of speech in Russia, no freedom of association, no freedom of the press, and no right to self-determination. Putin has leveraged his dominance over the media as a strategic play on religion as well, by whipping up fervor and developing paramilitary units (the Cossacks). I totally get what you’re saying, that it’s always going to be that tit-for-tat, but much greater inroads were made by Russia when they practically took over the Executive Branch. It’s like the Cold War, but now with deep bilateral engagement across all sectors of our society, on their terms. So it’s a dangerous point we’ve come to because more is at stake. Let’s not forget the nukes are always go for launch on both sides.


InvestedInPumpkins

>Russia had a military parade in Seattle a few weeks ago I've lived in Seattle my entire life and have not heard of this - could you provide a source?


nuessubs

I think he's talking about the Proud Boys.


CaptainObvious_1

That’s extremely misleading


HaoleHelpDesk

It’s a group called Immortal Regiment Seattle and they do an annual “Immortal Regiment March” to commemorate Victory Day. It’s easy to find on YouTube. They march with Soviet flags, and wear Soviet/Russian military uniforms (not just actual veterans who fought with the Allies in WWII, but random young people dress up). They actually do these marches in various cities, but there is a particular emphasis on Seattle, because Russia is perturbed over the closure of their consulate. One of the Russians involved in promoting it said they’re “going to raise the Russian flag over Seattle again.” So that’s kind of what they have in mind, and I too found it pretty surprising.


InvestedInPumpkins

Interesting stuff. I found some [videos on YT](https://youtu.be/o_mwjS2fiEw) and a link to their FB group. They do seem to have an affiliation with veterans of the war but it has a nationalistic flavor to it. Thank you for the info!


HaoleHelpDesk

Check out *Putin’s Patriots: Russian Money and Influence in Australia.* It is a sense of where they are trying to go with this, in terms of developing an actual militia, with a pretty advanced set of “PR” skills. It’s so interesting how this militia is going around aggressively harassing Australian citizens, but then they turn it around and gaslight- like they are the ones being persecuted. And the oligarch money laundering is a whole other rabbit hole, in Australia alone.


BrazilBrother

Putin is an "idea", is probably what he thinks. To me, at least, that's empowering a little too much someone who values information such as Vlad


chokes666

> and they have an actual militia in Australia, with uniforms and everything. Source please or I call bullshit.


Pantdestroyer

I found this https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/four-corners-putin-russia-influence/13139628?nw=0 Certainly interesting. 40-50 members, direct link to Russia.


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Zigtron

The thing is, Putin earlier this week said that he regrets no longer working with Trump, and that Biden is tougher to work with. This proposal shows Putin is willing to re-establish communications with the White House, and puts pressure on Biden from the get-go to be amenable too during the summit. It's a low risk high reward play by Putin, as a negative reaction from Biden would allow Russia to show it was trying to work in good faith with the USA, and a positive reaction would be giving in to Russia leading the conversation. There is no good play in this situation for Biden, except offer a counter-proposal imo. THe question now is would the administration rather focus on homeland perception by showing a strong face (but it'd be mostly for boasting), or give some room to create a more open conversation. Given the new Act that is proned to pass the House soon (cant remember the name tho), I'd rather lean on the second option. The USA will use this as en entry point to other issues imo.


marcelogalllardo

>Putin earlier this week said that he regrets no longer working with Trump, and that Biden is tougher to work with. That's not what he said. He said Biden is a career politician. Theres advantages and disadvantages of that and there will be less impulse based movements. https://youtu.be/oh_obIUJ7HA >This proposal shows Putin is willing to re-establish communications with the White House Sure he has but I don't think they have much of an expectation from this meeting. Biden already called him a killer before and said he will do separate press and won't allow Russian press and with the presence of "free media" only. >would the administration rather focus on homeland perception by showing a strong face (but it'd be mostly for boasting), or give some room to create a more open conversation. I'd say it would mostly be used as 1st one.


gta5_on_the_PS27

quite the leap in your logic. you are either making a huge assumption, or are completely biased in your thought process. i think what you would like to happen is russia completely bows down to the USA without anything in exchange


Zigtron

I dont have any opinion as to the outcome of this, personally. If this can serve as an argument, I'm French, and therefore feel way less invested in the USA-Russia dynamic than you would believe. I only considered the event from a strategic point of view, taking into account that Putin doesn't want to close doors but wants to dictate the dynamic, and established possible responses from the White House from this. Yet my knowledge is scarce, and I might be burning logical steps in my reasoning. I'd be glad to stand corrected though. As to what I personally want : Russia-USA needs to exist to diminish the sino-russian relationship. How that can be achieved is above my knowledge but I feel like tackling this issue is a terrible idea. With a bit more thought, it feels like this will mostly be used as a leverage topic for both sides, depending on the response. I don't know if the USA has an upper-hand in the other main topics (climate and Ukraine iirc?), but not being able to make concessions on other topic to gain leverage on the cyber-attack topic is objectively bad for the USA, hence why both responses feel weirdly inadequate. I hope I was clear enough


HKMauserLeonardoEU

>Russia-USA needs to exist to diminish the sino-russian relationship. Why? The US treats both countries like shit. It's no wonder that China and Russia would seek other partners. In fact, they are some of the only countries that can provide a counterbalance to the US' control of the world.


SgtSnapple

Of course every power should be checked but surely there's a better option than authoritarian dictatorships.


HKMauserLeonardoEU

The internal political system doesn't matter. The US, despite being more free domestically, is internationally a much more warmongering and jingoistic country than China is.


stph512

More involved in international wars and more present with their military worldwide - yes. But they don't increase their territorial claims onto other nations sovereign territory. We don't know how China would act if they are the military dominant super power. CCP has a strong expansionistic mindset (as can be seen in Xinjiang, south china sea, ...).


gta5_on_the_PS27

oh okay, understood. I agree with what you said. Sadly I don't think either governments will ever see eye to eye or equal, but that's another topic.


WildCard911

I agree that it will always be this way while Putin is in control of Russia. It's completely disingenuous and always in bad faith with him. There's a reason why other dictators look up to him. He knows how to play the game unfortunately. I don't think either side would resort to a nuclear holocaust though. Putin seems pretty vain and would not jeopardize his own life.


gta5_on_the_PS27

yes yes, russia bad USA good, despite them both doing the same thing


Yushama2

What are the conditions?


HaoleHelpDesk

Probably that the Russians taken into custody in the US get to train the other prisoners on how to set up their own hacking operation, and/or other criminal enterprise. In certain jurisdictions where there are strong protections for undocumented immigrants, Russian nationals and others with “ties to the region,” who are jailed in the US on various charges, seem to be particularly good at chatting up the other inmates. Suddenly their English kicks in, so by the time they leave they have lots of new friends, especially the ones with higher level skill sets. Take, for example, an engineer who is jailed on DUI charges and has dwindling employment prospects due to their criminal record.


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Probably that they are given a humane sentence and not the draconian jail terms the US is fond of giving. I know this may come as a surprise to my fellow Americans, but life sentences are not that common in developed countries and they don’t tend to lock people up for 10 years or more without having gruesomely murdered someone.


HaoleHelpDesk

What draconian jail terms have any Russian nationals been unfairly subjected to in the United States, in your estimation? Are you saying that Russia has better standards around due process, the rule of law, and their correctional facilities?


[deleted]

I’m saying that these hackers could likely find sentences of 20+ years. And the way our prosecutors like to dogpile charges, they’d probably end up with something like 5 consecutive life sentences. If this were Europe, they’d probably be looking at 5-7 max. Most of the world looks at our jail terms and percentage of population incarcerated and sees us as quite barbarous. I would assume that no sane country would want to subject their citizens to that kind of “justice”.


HaoleHelpDesk

Aside from the larger issue on the weaknesses of the US criminal justice system, for the matter at hand- what would be the appropriate amount of time for these types of criminals to be in prison?


Abyxus

Up to 7 years, according to the Russian Criminal Code (p. 4 a. 272).


notcrazypants

The damage Russian hackers cause justifies serious punishment. They literally hold critical infrastructure hostage.


[deleted]

If the same crime were committed in the Netherlands and Germany, they would be getting sentences of 3-5 years. Most countries don’t lock away their citizens for decades. It’s actually quite an indictment on yourself that you should be a proponent of such a thing and a testament to just how far removed the average American is from how the rest of the world thinks.


HaoleHelpDesk

In the EU, if someone was convicted of conducting large-scale sabotage of critical infrastructure- including hospitals- the punishment would be 3 to 5 years in jail?


[deleted]

Anders Breivik killed 77 people and is serving 10-21 years in Norway.


Maltch

thats because the norwegian system doesn't allow for longer sentences, but they have boards that must first confirm that someone will be released. Breivik will never be confirmed for release so he has a de facto life sentence. Based on your other comment it is clear you dont know what you're talking about. No, you cannot hold germany's electricity grid hostage and demand a 50 mil payout with only a potential penalty of 36 months in prison.


gta5_on_the_PS27

i mean, there have been hackers/sabotagers who have received maximum 10 years in germany, other neighbouring countrys, not life imprisonment etc like the US. it's irrational for you to think otherwise.


Dew_Cookie_3000

I don't think a person that killed 77 people, mostly children, can be fixed by 10 or 20 years of playing video games, or whatever rehab fad is the fashion of the day.


SgtSnapple

There's certainly a balance between the American over-incarceration problem and the idea of giving a mass murderer a decade or two - or giving a cyber terrorist 3 to 5 for sabotage of critical infrastructure. Luckily neither of the latter two cases are actually genuine. Breivik will never actually be released but rather re-sentenced perpetually, nor would someone sabotaging gas lines and hospitals in Germany get less time than it takes to finish a bachelor's degree. Really this is just a case of mudslinging about a real American issue in an irrelevant scenario.


DoctorLazlo

Yeah, that's crazy to me. It's not like they are deprogramming him. He's on a glorified time out.


HaoleHelpDesk

The Norwegian system is an extreme outlier, and that particular tragic case is an extreme outlier within that. You brought up Germany and Netherlands, so what would the framework be there for adjudicating acts of sabotage against hospitals and other vital infrastructure?


gta5_on_the_PS27

it's actually not an outlier. the USA is known, around the world, for having extreme punishments that aren't warranted. i could give you a long list of marijuana charges as examples, or you could stop trying to act as if what i wrote isn't true when you know it is


HaoleHelpDesk

If you’re saying the Norwegian penal system is not an outlier when compared to other countries, that simply isn’t true. In the US, marijuana is a federally controlled substance but in terms of actual prosecution, that is almost always adjudicated at the state or city level. There has been massive reform at various levels, in line with changing perceptions in society about the criminality of drugs in general. The points on the terrorism case in Norway and the marijuana laws in the US aren’t all that relevant to the issue of sentencing guidelines for cyber attacks on critical infrastructure. Again, we are talking about intentional sabotage by highly organized and hostile actors. They target the most vulnerable members of society, at the level of the population itself- not just individuals or small groups. These are acts of terrorism, and tremendous threats to our national security.


gta5_on_the_PS27

No. Norway, germany, sweden, denmark, netherlands, i can go on. "“Professional hackers can cause enormous damage. They represent a danger for security and the economy,” Muench said. “That should be reflected in the sentences as well.” Muench said current law made it difficult to go after operators of botnet networks that enable large-scale automated cyber attacks. Muench’s comments came after a German court recently gave a suspended sentence to a British hacker-for-hire who confessed to a cyber attack that knocked out the internet for around a million Deutsche Telekom customers." I don't think that sentence fits the crime, but the US is known to have the worst jail systems in the world


notcrazypants

I'll do you one further: people that intentionally cause mass terror (via the hacking they do) should be executed in the public square.


[deleted]

You’re making my point. To most of the world, you look like a little tyrant in making. It’s no wonder the US has spread death and destruction across the world. We’ve got too many like you.


HaoleHelpDesk

If the US is so horrible, why do you live here? There are dozens of countries where it’s pretty easy for US citizens to become residents.


[deleted]

Are you being serious? You know, it’s perfectly possible for me to live in this country and love my home while also being a critic of our policies and advocating that we hold ourselves to the same standards we try to actively hold others. I mean, don’t we constantly fund people like this within the borders of our adversaries? But I guess that’s just to be a destabilizing force, huh? At the end of the day, I want the US to be its best version and that means an end to the empire and accountability for our kleptocratic manager class that has committed more evil on the planet than the rest. I want them held accountable.


marcelogalllardo

"why don't you let us kill in peace and stop complaining. If you don't like go to other countries so that we can bomb you there"


Advanced-Talk2736

I have deemed this comment to ntentionally cause mass terror. See you in the public square, fascist :^)


HaoleHelpDesk

The only one talking about about “mass terror” while also sounding like you want to fight that particular person in the recess yard- is you. I disagree with their sentiment, but you have completely misconstrued the statement.


PrizeReputation

Watch out we got a badass


rallykrally

Is your spirit animal a fast edgy hedgehog?


rallykrally

Not like you have much of a choice. You either agree to Russia's conditions (whatever they may be) or they stay (presumably) in Russia.


DoctorLazlo

Maybe they do and maybe they don't. Would be so nuts to see US pull some crazy shit where they smuggle them out. That would be embarrassing.


rallykrally

Meh. Practically impossible. Never happened before. Russia isn't Mexico. They have a competent security situation.


Advanced-Talk2736

Lmao, simping hard for the bank accounts of shareholders i see. The ability for yanks to deepthroat the elite is amazing.


DoctorLazlo

They attacked hospitals with randomsomeware and the misinfo campaigns targeted social media to fool people into not wearing masks, not getting vaccinated, keeping the virus around longer, hurting innocent people and the overall recovery and health of society. Being pissed about an enemy countries well funded ops attacking my country is simping for shareholders and protecting the elite? The fuck? They slow down production, prices are gonna rise to meet demand.. that fucks me and everyone I know over. Fucking Fuck Russia.


Charmeleonn

Holy shit you have to be brain dead. Wanting to punish criminals who attacked critical infrastructure is now simping?


notcrazypants

So when hackers increased the levels of fatal lye in a Florida water treatment plant, I'm being a simp yank by thinking those people should be punished?


Advanced-Talk2736

googled it, fatal my arse. >"At no time was there a significant adverse effect on the water being treated. Importantly, the public was never in danger." Maybe your elites should spend like 0.001% of their wealth on cybersecurity lol


Nsfw6969account

Thank you for these comments. They make you look antagonistic and America better. You also strengthen our resolve. Again, thank you!


detournemen

it’s crazy that the same people who pretend america is a country built in “liberty” justify locking *so* many people up for entire lifetimes.


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ShamanSix01

It’s a one sided deal b/c of this fact. Putin would claim any U.S. journalist a cyber criminal, but claim that Russian cyber criminals are journalists.


bingbing304

Russian will arrest people on cybercriminal charges like what Belarus did.


Taldan

> US cybercriminal community attacking Russia which consists of 3 teenagers in anonymous masks Remember that to a foreign nation, anyone attacking them from the US is a cybercriminal. It seems likely to me that Putin will ask for NSA/CIA/FBI operatives, then use the lack of extradition to say the US isn't acting in good faith. The OPM breach from 2014/2015 also probably gives Russia a very nice list of who those people are


iBoMbY

> vs the US cybercriminal community attacking Russia which consists of 3 teenagers in anonymous masks Of course the NSA, CIA, and all their offspring, don't exist. Just a conspiracy theory, I guess ...


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Advanced-Talk2736

Just because they work for the US doesn't mean they aren't cybercriminals. You constantly violate the laws of your EU allies with these agencies. Imagine what they do against russia.


JonTheDoe

That's because you want it. Hence why when Germany got caught spying no one gave a shit. It's just the relationship, get over it.


ablackcloudupahead

This guy is either attacking the US or defending Russia with each comment. Methinks he may not be german lol


pei_cube

The brand new account made today? I don't know... seems like they are 100% genuine. ​ /s


Advanced-Talk2736

what i want is to kick the yanks out.


STD_free_since_2019

And the yanks want the germans to stop sucking Putins cock for cheap natural gas. So now what?


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JonTheDoe

Yeah, it would be if we were discussing rape. But we're not. Allied countries spy on each other all the time. It ironically builds trust. You whiny lot didn't see us crying when germany got caught spying.


zin36

but it was worse than that wasnt it? it was the foreign government asking a domestic unit to spy on your politicians. like imagine the french asking the CIA to spy on some US senators and the CIA doing it without the US knowing about it. i doubt that would blow over pretty quickly


BraveTheWall

In what world does spying build trust? That's like saying looking through your boyfriend/girlfriend's phone while they're not looking is building trust. No it isn't. It's violating their privacy and if they ever found out they'd be inclined to trust you that much less.


JonTheDoe

> In what world does spying build trust? Our world. Read: Five eyes


BraveTheWall

You know the Five Eyes weren't founded to spy on each other, right?


detournemen

they are cyber criminals but they are spoken for. “cyber criminals” refers to those that aren’t state sponsored and aren’t free from trivial things like incarceration.


Taldan

US cyberwarfare with Russia is far more than just spying. There are plenty of active attacks from both sides (although Russia typically has much better results)


Brewerfan79

What they mean is that Russia would hand over Snowden


midnight_station

A) There is no guarantee the people he hands over are cyber criminals, and not just political dissidents. If they are, they are the bottom of the barrel B) Its well known in the InfoSec community that a lot of the popular malware is coded to not be usable on Russian IPs. You can literally see geo-activity of malware and there is a giant hole where Russia is. Unless all cyber criminals are ultra patriots for Russia, their activity is sanctioned by Russia, probably funded as well. So this is Russia basically saying "yeah we do it, and we'll continue unless you meet our demands" (and still continue even after demands are met)


Advanced-Talk2736

> Unless all cyber criminals are ultra patriots for Russia, their activity is sanctioned by Russia, probably funded as well. Or there is a far simpler explanation instead of moronic conspiracy shit. Russia, like every other country, cracks down on domestic criminals. Scammers will thus not target their home nation to stay under the radar of the cops.


HaoleHelpDesk

“Cracking down on domestic criminals,” and facilitating/incentivizing certain criminal acts internationally- are not mutually exclusive. One is defensive and the other is offensive, while both advance Russia’s strategic interests. Or rather, Putin’s take on that.


Qaz_

Isn't the protections afforded to cybercriminals who do not engage in domestic activities itself an incentive? I don't see why there needs to be additional incentives (like direct support or funding from FSB) when the incentives are already pretty high. It's almost risk-free, so long as you don't impact Russians and you don't leave Russia. That being said, it's obvious the FSB supports and directly is involved with APTs who engage in malicious activities. But their efforts are never going to be towards low-level fraud; hacks like SolarWinds are worth so much more to foreign actors.


HaoleHelpDesk

Yes, exactly. It’s like for the most part he just kicks his feet up and lets them do their thing, because they know exactly where the lines are...and then there’s the actual military units carrying out operations for GRU, SVR, FSB etc.


midnight_station

Well, Trump asked Russia to hack the DNC, and within hours they were hacked by Russian hackers. It's really not that hard to imagine a dictator supporting cyber criminals if they do what he wants, while decrying them at the same time. PR 101.


marcelogalllardo

>Trump asked Russia to hack the DNC Has it been proven or it's the bluemaga version of conspiracy?


bcstoner

Trump didnt ask them to hack the DNC. I believe he asked for Russia to hack Hillary Clintons email. edit: Since trumpers are downvoting me - [Here's an article with a video. Enjoy](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282)


pi_over_3

Blueanon conspiracy.


[deleted]

It was literally on TV.


midnight_station

My bad, it was Clinton https://time.com/4426272/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-russia-emails


Advanced-Talk2736

Its also a retarded conspiracy to claim every scammer in russia is state funded. Undoubtedly the FSB will have its own staff, like the USA has the NSA and CIA. None of that leads credence to this conspiracy bullshit.


midnight_station

I wouldn't be surprised if the USA has hacking groups it taps for jobs it doesn't want linked back to itself, or sponsors groups that go after foreign countries. But if you want to believe the US or Russia or China or anyone else doesn't do that, go ahead, I'll leave you your naivety.


I_Frunksteen-Blucher

Nice straw man you propped up there: no-one's claiming "every scammer in russia is state funded". Even if they're not funded by the state, they can also follow the state's orders, be protected by the state or ignored by the state. It's odd how the very efficient Russian security services can't stop the hackers on their territory. Is Putin losing his absolute control?


Nwccntwhds

A decade ago there were Russian news about a teenager who setup a fake porn site scamming money from people's cards. He lived in some bumfucks and was caught because he paid for a literal truck of roses for his love. Literally Putin.


HaoleHelpDesk

As annoying as bank fraud is, I don’t think the ones who use their ill-gotten gains to send truckloads of roses to their girlfriend would be the main scenario Americans are concerned about.


Nwccntwhds

What's your thinking on this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Levashov


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HaoleHelpDesk

I agree that the argument should be a more nuanced one. It’s not about every scammer in Russian being state-funded, but the favorable conditions that have been created for them to carry out their “work.”


KevinAlertSystem

How common is it for nations to hand over their own citizens accused of crimes in other nations, especially if there is no extradition treaty? I mean Russia is really bad about this, but the rest of the world is no better. The US is still hiding the woman who killed someone with her car in the UK. Thats way worse then some cyber thieves. Or how Donald Rumsfeld is literally wanted on crimes against humanity and war crimes charges yet the US refuses to hand over him for trial. Same for Kissinger and loads of other international criminals the US harbors. Or how US company Chiquita was literally funding terrorism in south america as recently as 2007. In this case I do believe the US fined them, but also refused to hand over them for trial in the affected nations. Not to mention a fine for being a terrorist leader is kind of insane and hypocritical. Despite the narrative it seems like in reality nations typically have no obligation to enforce the laws of other nations on their own citizens.


Alexdoh

Nice whataboutism.


KevinAlertSystem

yeah thats not how that works. They made a statement claiming "everyone does this" examples clearly refuting that fact are relevant, not "whataboutism".


DonkeyMahnkey

He's a Russian troll.


DonnieJuniorsEmails

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-charges-russian-fsb-officers-and-their-criminal-conspirators-hacking-yahoo-and-millions Putin can not be trusted. The last collaboration on cybersecurity allowed the russian FSB use their access to steal data. The FBI caught them, and it was all swept under the rug so trump and his boss wouldnt be embarassed.


qasasbombguy

If we will reinstate trump as President.


Yushama2

And hand over Alaska


Zolome1977

If trump was reinstated then they’d have the whole country not one state.


ShamanSix01

I had a bet with a friend that the Former Guy by the end of his term, would have given Alaska back to Russia. Now I imagine if he had a second term the odds of this happening would be greater.


macman2010

Russian criminals linked to the Cyber attack on the Irish health system was the lowest of the low. This affected the most vulnerable sick adults and children. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coveney-discusses-health-service-cyberattack-with-russian-foreign-minister-1.4568264%3fmode=amp


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aDrunkWithAgun

Why we still even have political theater with putin is beyond me


BrazilBrother

Maybe it's because of their nuclear arsenal and geopolitical influence? You can't just use the stick policy without some carrots here and there


DiscoConspiracy

>President Vladimir Putin has said Russia would be ready to hand over cyber criminals to the United States if Washington did the same for Moscow and the two powers reached an agreement to that effect. Can it be said that Russia has a more expansive view of what is considered "criminal" in that it could also include political matters disguised as other crimes? I don't think it's a good idea to send over what Russia considers "criminals" from the U.S. to Russia. Hopefully any agreement reached has been worded carefully.


pleasekillmerightnow

What’s the catch


motorbit

yeah well. who is complaining here? the usa are not precisely known to hand over their criminals neither. like, usa is one of the very few countries refusing to accept the international curt of den hague. plus: do usa and russia even have an extradition treaty?


AdkRaine11

Talk is cheap, Vlad.


Grump_Monk

"I want nice bike like Boris Johnson got."


ncosleeper

Going after people who hack and blackmail companies seems like a good thing.


Pahasapa66

Putin would never do it, so it's a non-starter.


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makeshift_kangaroo

The kind of shit we get with with a grown ass man in the Whitehouse.


marcelogalllardo

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1404144861532594180?s=19 Might have grown a bit too much.


Deja-Vuz

Dictator dick


Deja-Vuz

I don't believe this Dick Dictator


tipsup

if trump is reinstate putin’s bitch is back in office. trump is owned by putin.


Veidtindustries

Give us Snowden get Ukraine back lol


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Yushama2

Snowden didn't do bad though. He warned us that the government was listening in on ALL our devices, without warrant, stopped only one terrorist act which was a taxi cap driver giving like $500 to a terrorist group, out of all the devices


deej3211

Yeah fuckin’ Snowden, heroically proving the US government is illegally spying and recording on its citizens with no authority. The bastard.


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deej3211

No idea what you’re trying to say chief, your english is pretty bad. Yeah everyone’s downvoting you because your ideas are stupid. Everyone’s upvoting me because Snowden is a patriot for his sacrifice for freedom from authoritarians. Democracy speaks.


Veidtindustries

This post was an obvious jab at sarcasm but the reactionaries and bootlickers like yourself took it entirely too personal lol


atbredditname

Yeah no one wants any of that.


Significant_Swan_320

I don't think it's the Russian, someone play the story under the blanket


Bang_Bus

I guess Vlad has some leftover bums to sacrifice or pesky bloggers to set up to improve relations. Cheap af.


atwegotsidetrekked

This is a great development, it looks like Russia is willing to negotiate. I hope we can end this pissing match with Russia, USA, getting extradition would be great, removing the sanctions and joining the ESA, Russia, China on the international moon base. Maybe the world can negotiate more international cooperation


Lixard52

Putin says he’d only extradite people if the US would do the same. The US justice and prison system is drastically different than Russia’s. Sending US citizens there would be a death sentence. Putin was joking because he knows it would never happen.


FiendishHawk

Also American hackers don’t generally hack Russia because that’s not where the money is. Due to Putin’s economic incompetence.


grrrrreat

They're not. They're willing to threaten their rogue hackers to keep them on state sanctioned terrorism


nativedutch

Forget it.


Nanocyborgasm

You first, Vova.


Nemo_Shadows

Well when dealing with "The Hydra" cutting off just one head; JUST wont do... N. Shadows


SolarMoth

Yup, they're totally the guys who did it, not just some random people we plucked off the street.


57ar7up

Thats why I in Russia hack almost only Russia


kiwisrkool

That's quite a change. US obviously want Snowden back


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They did a bad job. No point to keep these ones.


Filipheadscrew

You know that Putin is getting his beak wet on all that hacking money. He’d have to surrender himself for prosecution.


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Taa_dow2

wow look at that.


yogfthagen

Great! Our first cybercriminal arrest warrant is for one, ummmm, let me see, Putin, Vladimir. Do you know him?


WinterMatt

All of our prisoners are their good spies and all the prisoners they're willing to admit to are basically sweat shop call center workers that ran bot nets that they can get anybody to do for them. So yea I'm sure they'd love this deal. They're trading pawns for knights


TheWorldPlan

So this is one-way handover? No handover of american criminals to russia? That proves russia is weak and doesn't have the guts to challenge the american hegemony.


wellthatspeculiar

"President Vladimir Putin has said Russia would be ready to hand over cyber criminals to the United States if Washington did the same for Moscow" That's literally the first line of the article.


TheWorldPlan

Not many would read past the title, that's also why the media writes their title that way.


wellthatspeculiar

I mean, sucks to suck then, I guess? Like, I don't see how it's the content provider's fault that you didn't... read the content provided. If you're not going to read the article, don't comment on the damn article.


TheWorldPlan

> Like, I don't see how it's the content provider's fault that you didn't... read the content provided. If you're not going to read the article, don't comment on the damn article. Nah, the infotainment providers have to adjust to the habits & nature of the dumb mass to push their agenda. The dumber the mass are, the easier for the elite class to rule them.


STD_free_since_2019

Negotiating anything with Putin is a collosal waste of everyone's time and an insult to everyones intelligence. Putin cant be trusted to be an honest partner in any deal.


NineNineNine-9999

I don’t know, his eyes are pretty close together. He’s a thinker.......


ugottabekiddingmee

This is cyber criminal... Points to opposition later. And this is cyber criminal... Points to journalist. And these guys. . Points to lgbtq community.


JesusSaidItFirst

Putin said conditional.... Stopped caring. Sneaky fucking genius.


realsheldoncooper

Putin putout


herb0026

Awwww, that nice *blushes*