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drunkendogsquad

>Union organizers filed their petition after Creature Comforts management failed to voluntarily recognize the Brewing Union within three days. >[T]his response fell short of full recognition, so organizers went through with their plan to file an election petition with the National Labor Relations Board. >Brewing Union organizer Joseph Carter told APN that their act of filing a petition doesn’t prevent Creature Comforts management from recognizing them; they can do that at any time. The article reads a bit less like management actively denied the union and moreso that management failed to respond within the time limit imposed upon them by the union organizers. Good on the organizers for following through with their plan for filing an election petition with the NLRB along their promised timeline. It seems like the union has quite a bit of support from the workers at CCBC, so it'll be interesting to see how the election plays out.


AthensPoliticsNerd

Yes, that's right. I actually think Creature will do the right thing here. I think they might want to talk to their lawyers or whatever first and that might take a few days, right.


KingofthePlebs

Best of luck to the workers there. This needed to happen years ago.


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FavoredKaveman

Maybe hold off on a boycott until the workers call for one (or at least until there’s union busting or something shady)


swellfie

OOTL - what's up with Terrapin?


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BreakfastInBedlam

Don't they still have the same people making the same beer? Aren't they employing over a hundred local people to make beer? I don't get the hate for Terrapin.


farmerjim12

And they now, plus other Coors owned “local breweries” across the country, partner with universities that offer micro/fermentation science programs to provide internships and job opportunities to recent grads. When Terrapin had their celebration last summer, Middle Tennessee State University was here to promote their program and partnership. I studied agriculture for my masters at MTSU and immediately recognized the professor, and he told us all about Coors’ partnerships because MTSU and Terrapin.


HapiTimotheos

Yes and no. I started as a brewer after I graduated a l trike while back and ended up quitting because everything felt so corporate. The head brewer is a great guy but everyone above him didn’t care about anything but profits. We lost people and instead of backing down, it felt like they doubled up and made our schedules worse because they wanted the same production levels from 6 people as they had with 18. The schedules were shit because we had 24 hour production, almost never got a Saturday off, and there were stupid policies like, if we missed a single day because we were sick we couldn’t use leave without a doctors note for it even if it was just like an upset stomach. TLDR: The floor people are absolutely amazing and so are the people right above the floor people, but it’s all fucked because of the people above them that never work the floor making decisions that the direct floor supervisors can’t overturn.


BreakfastInBedlam

> there were stupid policies like, if we missed a single day because we were sick we couldn’t use leave without a doctors note for it even if it was just like an upset stomach. That is a stupid policy. Easier and smarter to deal with the individuals that abuse a rational policy.


make_fast_

How involved is Spike these days?


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BreakfastInBedlam

How much money goes to corporate vs. how much stays in the community? How much of that would exist without backing from a larger entity? There certainly are other places to spend beer money, but cutting off your access to some good stuff because of some perceived influence is odd to me. If it was AB- InBev, though, I'd be right there with you. That company is evil.


CanadianFoosball

Because Miller-Coors has such a [great history with union workers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coors_strike_and_boycott).


BreakfastInBedlam

I can't speak to the issue of unions, but the stance of Coors reported there is at odds with Terrapin's support of the LGBTQ community locally.


swellfie

Ah yeah I knew that had happened but was unaware of anything else like union busting specific to Terrapin post facto. Thanks!


chicken_karmajohn

Not only that, the management is largely absent, QA problems go unchecked, corporate doesn’t gaf, all the brewers quit, beer gets recalled. Straight dumpster fire. Alas, one of the only places booking jam bands in Athens, I’ll give them that


gmwilk23

I’m pretty sure terrapin is majority at 51% with the creative rights. Also, where do you think creature got all their money from?


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gmwilk23

They had/have several big financial backers, which is great for them obviously you see the progress they made in such a short time.


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gmwilk23

Lol that’s not what I was hinting at.. The point when people criticize terrapin for taking a deal that every small brewery is working towards is ridiculous. They are still independently operated and have a huge backer now that helps with distributing there beer. The fact that creature was able to go into canning within six months and they have already expanded to the west coast, multiple other states in such a short time is because they had huge financial backing. People act like terrapin isn’t “craft” or “local” anymore because they made the deal is bs. It’s not like creature started like how terrapin started and truly grew from nothing.


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gmwilk23

Synovus and Landmark


gmwilk23

Ha I am not trying to spread information, I am just advocating for Terrapin as an Athens brewery. I am sorry, If I am not doing a good job via these comments.


Sad-Skull-Valencia

Is it not true that landmark is a huge financial backer? Lol a lot more info is public than you think. The city manager is on creatures charity board right?


LogicalVariation741

Creature has done some shady shit behind the scenes. Their deal with ACC alone should warrant some close scrutiny


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Is this article not an accurate summary of the deal with Creature? This info seems to be pretty standard so far as public economic development goes. https://athensmade.com/creature-comforts-athensclarke-detail-proposal-for-new-facility-on-southern-mill-property


Robcasper

What ACC deal? I'm curious.


Fluid-Philosopher112

Athens Clarke County taxpayers paid for the remediation of the old recap plant so Creature could set up there.


LogicalVariation741

If I recall correctly CC paid a dollar for a massive overhau/ lifetime rentl of the new plant. And then they immediately purchased a plant out in LA.


SoSorryItsTheMoops

They did not “purchase a plant.” They opened a taproom. With Hollywood money. They’re on record saying they would’ve opened a location in Atlanta, on the belt line, but Georgia law says they can’t move beer between locations, so they’d have to either buy Trop back from a distributor to serve there or brew it on-site, neither of which makes much financial sense. Take it up with Bill Cowsert, he’s the chair of the Senate regulated industries committee and no friend to the beverage producers. (If you can find him.)


thened

Georgia has always had dumb laws when it came to alcohol.


thatsthejokememe

Looks like they invested $8 million and ACC put in 400k


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So you aren't recalling correctly.


ScoutsOut389

Absolutely. I do that anyway most weeks, but will certainly stop if they don't move forward with the union. Edit to add: I wonder if they would be responsive to a letter writing campaign. I would certainly be happy to set one up that we could all add to.


CanadianFoosball

Thanks, /u/AthensPoliticsNerd, I’d been wondering if the B-corp designation had any bearing on this issue.


AthensPoliticsNerd

Yeah, no direct bearing, but I think it's relevant. Creature is a company that wants to do good, or at least wants to be seen as a company that wants to do good. To be consistent, I think they should voluntarily recognize. Maybe they still will.


CowboyKerouac

Not asking you to make an opinion here, given I assume you want to do unbiased work (thank you for your work), but even “progressive” companies union bust with regularity. Even when it’s inconsistent with their stated values. I’m not optimistic.


JonHyman213

They hired Littler — the same firm running Starbucks anti-union campaign nationwide. Not a good sign for this employer working cooperatively with the union.


gaporkbbq

From these comments, apparently I’m not supposed to be drinking any of the beers brewed in Athens.


jemping98

From the comments: Also don’t shop at any corporate grocery store, no fast food, no chains, don’t buy gas from any gas company


CowboyKerouac

Southern brewing company; Athentic. Terrapin is fine if you don’t care if they’re corporate. You can drink whatever you want. Everyone gets to choose how to spend their dollars for whatever reasons they choose.


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Nice of the CEO to “consider it”


one98d

No one should be patronizing CC in the first place. This on top of helping facilitate a hire for Akademia (who you shouldn’t patronize either) for a known domestic abuser and the fact that CC knowingly kept a person on payroll that was an accused rapist, who was finally fired when CC brought in an auditor to take a look at how the company could be run better and one of the first things they said to them was why have they knowingly kept an accused rapist on payroll. You can read more about it from this old thread on r/AtlBeer. https://old.reddit.com/r/atlbeer/comments/nrmgcr/emboldenactadvanceratmagnet_ig_ga_beer_story


thatsthejokememe

I think that was like one guy at creature who was friends with that abuser and tried to help them when that person was like suicidal. Life is fucked up and creature has like 100 employees, are they all complicit because of one persons relationship? Agree with comment below; crimes require investigation and trial and evidence needs to be gathered; glad they did right thing and fired that person.


Sad-Skull-Valencia

The abuser was Adam (founder and brewmaster)’s friend


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Sad-Skull-Valencia

Maybe craft beer isn’t some nice progressive industry like it claims huh


thatsthejokememe

List industries you feel like are truly progressive?


CowboyKerouac

We need to organize a protest outside of the brewery on a busy Friday or Saturday night. Pressure management into recognizing them and try to discourage customers until they do.


FavoredKaveman

Considering the union encouraged people to go drink at Creature Comforts after they announced their existence last week, I don’t think they are looking for a boycott.


CowboyKerouac

Indeed. I messaged an organizer and employees and they said they didn’t want a protest and they wanted people to drink CC beer. I disagree with their tactics but ultimately believe it’s their struggle and their choice. I’m not drinking the beer for now, personally, but not going to agitate any further.


LogicalVariation741

I drink coffee with creature and southern every morning. I also used to work for an in town brewery. Maybe, if you can, drink beer that isn't concerned with distro and drink actual local beer.


Mediocre-Leek-9292

Terrapin has always been better. CC tastes like cloves.


JonHyman213

Does anyone know if the Brand Marketing Manager that was leading this drive resigned or was fired? [Creature Comforts is hiring for a Brand Marketing Manager](https://www.brewbound.com/jobs/59616-brand-marketing-manager-creature-comforts-brewing-co)