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warnelldawg

Looks like I was wrong: planners are expecting these units to be marketed as student housing. *sigh*


u_beech

As always.


warnelldawg

I was being blinded by hope, apparently.


pumpkinescobar70

Like I said in your last thread they'll always say it's not student housing...... The “Oconee View” development was approved in 2017 as a 10-story, 123-unit tower of gameday condos catering to seniors. However, Chicago-based developer Core Spaces now says that model is not financially viable due to lack of demand, and instead wants to build 163 units of student housing with 381 bedrooms


warnelldawg

1. I think this development is still a net positive, since it’s replacing a surface lot. 2. I was hoping this project was far enough away from campus that it wouldn’t be student housing, yet here we are. 3. I don’t know too much about that other project, but in my opinion, “gameday” condos are probably the worst overall for the city. I’m kinda happy it’s going to be apartments instead, and it makes sense since it’s only a block away from campus.


CanadianFoosball

It's a lot closer to campus than Joe Brown hall, isn't it?


warnelldawg

Oh yes. But that was purchased by UGA itself from the Navy for pennys on the dollar. This is private devy


LawlMartz

Considering Joe Brown is ON campus, no, it’s not.


CanadianFoosball

Sorry, I meant Brown Hall, on the HSC.


CanadianFoosball

In b4 pedantry: which is also technically on campus, I suppose.


LawlMartz

That's fair- Joe Brown used to be a dorm (in the 20s lmao), wasn't judging how old you are


LeftYIMBY

Yeah, it has a lot of 4BRs, so definitely aimed at students. They're well under the allowed density for C-D zoning (they're at 132 BR/acre, while zoning allows 200), so that's something. The only waiver they're asking for is to allow ground floor to be largely residential, which isn't normally allowed in a commercial zone.


LeftYIMBY

Actually, I stand corrected. To be precise, it has only 5 4BR units and 23 3BR units. The rest are 1s and 2s. The Flagpole line that states "According to Athens-Clarke County planners, the inclusion of a bathroom for each bedroom indicates that the apartments will likely be student-oriented" isn't an accurate summary of the staff report. Staff simply said that the 3BR and 4 BR units would likely appeal to students, bc of the 1:1 ratio of BRs to Bathrooms. Which, fair enough, but around 45% the bedrooms are in 1BR and 2BR units, which would appeal to other demographics.


LeftYIMBY

"Oconee view" on Mitchell St is really a perfect location for student housing -- it's right behind the north deck, so very walkable to campus, and it doesn't ruin any part of what we all think of as downtown. And it looks like they are including affordable units under the new inclusionary zoning ordinance, so at least Athens gets something of value.


BreakfastInBedlam

"Oconee View" is the misplaced monstrosity on Mitchell Street, not the Bottleworks project.


pumpkinescobar70

Well aware, the point being 2017 approval of other project is now student housing.


BreakfastInBedlam

~~The 2017 approval was not economically feasible. That's why they came back in 2019 or 2020, and why they are back again. It has to be changed from the previously approved plan and approved again, or built per the 2017 plan~~ Ok, I think I see what you mean now. But everyone is asking for student housing, which doesn't mean it will be approved. That Mitchell Street project won't be approved as student housing.


goatthedawg

I work remotely and would love to move back to and live in Athens, but seems like only thing they want to build are these luxury student apartments. Prob would have been half a million anyways like every other new medium/high density residential building built nowadays


warnelldawg

You and me both, friend.


katarh

There's non student townhouses getting planned for the west side, apparently, but even they will be marketed as "luxury units" (whatever that means) and will likely sell for 200K-300K a pop.


LawlMartz

Can we have housing in downtown that isn’t aimed at students? The answer may surprise you: >!no!<


jdawg09

I think they are building new apartments on Barber St as well where the Jittery Joes roaster just moved from as well.


threegrittymoon

I absolutely love this. The apartments proposed would be built by-right, meaning no approval needed because the development conforms to our zoning code. The only thing they had to ask the planning commission for was permission to build apartment units on some the ground floors, leaving 4.3k sqft of ground floor commercial. Their presentation on that was really interesting, bringing up the fact that ground floor and garden level apartments could become small scale retail and office organically in the future (which is what has historically happened in these kinds of buildings in cities).


warnelldawg

Did they happen To mention whether it’s regular rentals or luxury student housing?


threegrittymoon

Also worth noting that the architect on this project is a commercial tenant at the existing bottleworks building. Certainly gives him some cred in my eyes when he says he doesn’t want a student megaplex next door. Also the fact that this proposal is significantly less dense than what could be built by right here - there’s a lot of signs pointing to this proposal being made with the good of the community in mind.


threegrittymoon

They mentioned that their intent is to cater to non-students (an approximate quote: “we’re not putting in a pool or virtual golfing here, this is for regular people.”) of course there’s no way to prevent students from living there, but nothing about this project says “student exclusive” to me. Worth noting how many 1 and 2 bed units there are (and only 7% of the bedrooms are in 4-bed units).


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FeedYeYeast

It'll have more paid or bootable parking, perhaps.


LeftYIMBY

Yeah, I mean, doesn't it have to? The existing businesses in the bottleworks will still need customer parking. And the 159 new residents will need parking too.


FeedYeYeast

I for one don't have an opinion who is intended to rent these. I Strongly prefer Newton st. the way it is, just a street, with 20+ unmonitored free parking spots. There's hardly anywhere to park adjacent to dt where you don't have to pay or worry about your vehicle. The way it is it's a nice buffer zone between downtown and the residential zone. If they put some apartments here it'll become Another part of town I'm not allowed to rest, meander, skateboard or again, Park a Car.


gettinjiggywidit

Shhhh!! One of athens best kept parking secrets


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FeedYeYeast

I think going to do some sort of leisure activity downtown might count as partaking in 'luxury service', but some people work downtown, or have to pay bills, or viait friends, or pick up perscriptions. Parking should be free no matter where you're parking, you don't have to pay to park at Walmart and so it should be in downtown Athens. If I have to pay to park somewhere I'm only going to feel less welcome.


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LeftYIMBY

Amen. "Free" or cheap on-street parking is incredibly expensive if you consider the opportunity cost. Onstreet spaces could be used to make downtown more bike friendly, and for outdoor dining, which would generate far more sales tax revenue than the money Athens collects from the meters. Also it discourages transit use.


WillingnessOk3081

ugly