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WhiskeyMikeFoxtrot

Wait 'till they hear what the Greeks have been saying about them.


Lumber_Hack

So then tell Turkey to kick rocks. They shouldn't be there in the first place.


-DizzyPanda-

The Bosphorous Strait and the Dardenelles are infinitely more strategically important than anything Finland and Sweden bring to the table. However I do agree, Turkey under the Erdogan regime should have no place in NATO.


Lumber_Hack

Yeah that's what I'm getting at. But if we prioritize geography over ethics, then Ukraine would have joined long ago.


xRolox

"Ethics". Get real. This is a strategic partnership. Of course geography and the actual benefits of the various member states is going to be a priority.


-DizzyPanda-

Ukraine didn't want to join NATO until recently. They have had a russian puppet in place from the fall of the Soviet Union until 2014 when the CIA had absolutely nothing to do with the Maiden protests and eventual overthrow of that government.


Josselin17

based


QuarterDoge

How is this any different from the US refusing to allow Russia to join NATO in the 1990’s?


robotoverlordz

You should brush up on what NATO is. Russia, by definition, cannot join NATO.


QuarterDoge

But Turkey and Brazil can?


Individual_Bridge_88

Brazil isn't in NATO


QuarterDoge

It was rejected a year or so ago by France, only France. Like Turkey is rejecting Finland.


QuarterDoge

NATO sells military goods to customers. If Russia joined, and sold their goods to their NATO allies, the USA War Toy Machine would of took a massive hit. Clinton recoiled in horror when Russia offered to ally with the USA.


Jefetoro1234

Russia never wanted to seriously join NATO, they never officially applied.


imaginationdragon1

Seriously. How is Turkey even part of NATO? We really would goto war to protect that country? Turkey should be expelled. It’s run by a terrible president (Erdogam) who is anti-west, and has turned Turkey from a secular to a religious state.


TulsaHurricane

They control the Bosporus. The Russians in all their variations throughout history have wanted to either annex or puppet Turkey since they control access to the one warm water port Russia owns. NATO is going to do everything it can to keep Turkey from aligning with the Russians.


imaginationdragon1

Agree- but haven’t we learned that supporting horrific leaders always ends up biting us in the ass?


TulsaHurricane

As long as the US is committed to maintaining the Breton Woods style economic system we will be making deals with people like Erdogan. Look at the global shipping choke points and the countries around them. There's no way for the US to accomplish its current strategic and economic goals without them. I don't agree with the structure we've set up, but it's a big boat with a small rudder and actual change on that scale is highly unlikely.


Josselin17

and also happens to deny genocide


Slight-Improvement84

The US doesn't? Every media outlet and the government was seen spreading propaganda about how Iraq had WMDs only to find nothing and the loss of 100k+ innocent lives. And you guys are happy with those war criminals not being punished, all this in a democratic country.


DZKZ10

has the us formally recognized the native american genocid?


Individual_Bridge_88

Yes we teach it in our school history textbooks.


imaginationdragon1

Yes. In 2010 there was a formal apology signed by Obama. Note that while there was a genocide most of the deaths where inadvertent due to diseases brought from Europe and some were lost in battle obviously vs the us army. And of course the US put Indians on reservations and treated poorly for 100+ years It’s not a history to be proud of but sadly it’s no different than humans have done for 1000s of years with many invasions. Personally i think the government driven genocides are particularly abhorrent. France with Jews in the 1700s, Nazi Germany, Turkey with Armenians, Insane Socialists in Cambodia, Stalin Russia, etc So net net- while the US has been terrible in its past, it’s far from being a government driven active genocide


KiIroywasHere

I think one of the key differences is that while the US didn’t set out to wipe out the Native American people, it did try to wipe out the *concept* of Native Americans. Things like the Indian Offenses and the massacre of buffalo come to mind.


fretit

> How is Turkey even part of NATO? Their location came in handy during the cold war. Bu they are now not only useless, they are a serious liability. It's an atrocious human rights abuser country, it is increasingly Islamist, and it is involved in most of the wars in that region. I wonder what it takes to kick a country out.


xRolox

Why are half the countries in NATO part of NATO? Most don't carry their own weight but it's strategic from a geographic standpoint. Downvote all u want but there's a reason they're in here in the first place


HeWhoCntrolsTheSpice

Ergodan is going to milk NATO for everything it's worth in order to give the okay to Sweden and Finland. Meanwhile, those two nations - particularly Finland - have destroyed their neutral positions and haven't got anything for it. Not to mention, that they didn't have any kind of referendum for their citizens to decide.


jocxFIN

There is a very strong opinion FOR NATO here in Finland. Not against it.


TylerDurden15

Good move by Turkey. Would be better for the US to pull out of all of these international alliance organizations where we have to cover for everyone else’s laziness/cheapness/incompetence. At best should just have five eyes US, Canada, NZ, Australia, and Great Britain. Possibly other English speakers like Ireland and India.