Because Bendis is not as original as he or people try to give him credit for.
Jessica Drew aka Spider-woman aka who he originally wanted to have as the lead of Alias. Has the ability to generate bio-electricity, a power she calls her venom blast.
Bendis stole the power from her to give to Miles.
Because initially it was viewed as being like a toxin that a spider would inject into their prey to paralyse them, but as he's gotten older the power has gotten stronger and just visually more interesting.
Right. Basically it was a neuro-toxin sort of thing. That's why Miles had to touch people to actually do it.
Basically, like many things Miles it got lost in translation. I think it being a venom neuro-toxin type thing was so much more interesting, because it made me wonder what other type of toxins Miles could have in him.
I feel like a lot of the original Miles from the Ultimate comics got swept under the rug. In terms of personality, character, and even powers. Man has transformed radically. Although, Batman and Supes have had similar radical transformations.
It really lost its way when it became outright electrokinesis. There’s more interesting potential in the venom strike being something more internal, especially in the different ways it can react in what its being used on. It made electricity short circuit, it put people to sleep. Down the line, it could’ve resuscitated or stopped hearts altogether, switched the abilities of others on and off temporarily, maybe even cut the lights to whatever building he’s in to get a sudden edge on an opponent
The lazer, mega blast, energy webs, and sword are the dumbest of them all. Hell the energy webs are another copied power from a spider person Arachne. Why are all of Miles powers rehashes of other Spider-People.
Technically speaking, he's still capable of doing everything you mentioned. The only thing seperating him knocking out a building of people or just the lights of the building is voltage.
Technically speaking, sure. But as you’ve demonstrated in your post that’ll never be how they explore his abilities anymore. The most recent iteration is an electric sword lmao
I wouldn't say never. If this post does anything, i hope it shows that Miles' power is adaptable. Peter makes gadgets to handle different problems, Miles will adapt his powers to how he needs it and when he needs it.
??? All it shows is that his writers gave up on it being something simpler…you literally have the proof right here. They already jumped the shark. The next time Miles “adapts” it he’ll probably make another sparkling Green Lantern construct
Well he hasn't made a giant boxing glove yet so we aint quite there yet. If you flung Miles in the middle of space, no amount of Venom Blast gonna save him in a situation like that. And charging a drill battery is pretty low on the Venom Blast scale. His power is flexible, if he needs to let loose, he'll let loose. If he needs to dial it back, he will, he's done it before. His power isn't some uncontrollable energy where he only goes bigger bigger bigger. If he learns how to do CPR his answer to resucitating someone won't be to charge them like a car battery or stab em with a lighting sword and hopes it works.
I think the point you're missing is that sometimes less is more, this person wished that venom blast has remained a subtle, small scale thing, which could be used in nuanced and subtle situations.
Giving him the ability to conjure electrical constructs like swords doesn't remove that nuance, but it certainly overshadows it, and what was originally a cool, subtle but significant 'venom' ability is now essentially just lightning magic. To me, it just doesn't feel like Spider-Man - I understand each iteration is different, but it's not my cup of tea.
Frankly, I've always had a weird headcannon that Miles was supposed to be at some point like secret agent spidey. Idk I htink there was a cover implying he was going to work for shield and ever since I've kinda wanted it to happen.
But seriously, Miles venom ability was kind of cool. but even then it had big problems.
When Miles started, I was honestly ok with it just being a thing he did where he needed to physically touch someone. I think it's gotten way out of hand now.
Even then I remember thinking it was a bit over the top, because it was so convenient. It did what he needed every time, regardless of who it was or how they needed to be subdued. It's gone so far beyond that though. It's very silly.
Actually I agree and disagree. Even earlier, it was used as an all pupose knockout technique. It just was used as Miles get out of jail card back then, like ALOT. I still agree with the lowkey aspect being cool, but even then its use was not inventive.
Rhino as well. When the eritrr after Bendis took over be definitely tried to nerf it. How effective that was I don't know because I stopped following the series.
Rhino as well. When the eritrr after Bendis took over be definitely tried to nerf it. How effective that was I don't know because I stopped following the series.
Eh, they’re trying to differentiate Miles from Peter as much as possible so they can tell different stories with different angles. To me it’s disappointing that they keep amping his powers - invisibility- stronger and stronger venom blasts and power swords , along side the super powers of Spider-Man.
It just feels real fan-fictiony.They should focus on good stories , not just growing power levels and more and more abilities.
I think they need to take a note out of manga and focus on HOW abilities are used, and HOW Miles acts as a Spider-Man.
The core problem I had with Miles before 2018 was that he was, in personality and everything else, very similar to Peter.
What Miles needs now is a writer who focuses on how he goes about being Spidey differently. For example, Maybe Miles could use different Martial arts (look at MIdoriya focusing on Feet in MHA for example), swing differently, or focusing on using invisibility more. I just think a new approach to HOW he is Spidey and giving him awesome villains is all he needs. He just needs more villains thrown at the wall.
Yikes this ability really makes no sense to me. Spider powers so of course electric abilities right?? It should have been something he could only apply through physical touch like a sting or spider bite, it could have just stuck to different uses like inducing extreme nerve pain or paralysis like a venom might do but they’ve gone way too far with this. Looks cool though right.
So I went a googled if spiders can use electricity at all, and it turns out they use static electricity to attract prey to they're webs according to a study done by Oxford University. So I guess the writers figured that making that proportional to human sized would be electric powers?
Ok but using it and generating it themselves is different, are they generating the static or is it being created by more normal means? Like the way a human creates static. What I can do my dragging my sock across the carpet and shocking someone when I touch them is different than what an electric eel does. Either way miles shooting it out like he’s freakin electro is too much imo.
The article didn't go into that, so I'm going to say it's created by normal means to ere on the side of caution. I'm not sure how a spider makes static electricity with an exo-skeleton, but I'm also not sure how a spider would generate it's own static electricity.
Also, I can see why it's a bit much for some. It makes it seem like the writers are just trying to find ways to use the ability to make it look cool as opposed to having it used in more creative ways. Personally I'm pretty ok with it, to me it's cool visually and takes something few people know about spiders and makes it a way to separate Miles' abilities from Peter's more.
However, I definitely think it's very over the top and the fact that it is just throwing it lightning like Electro and a ton of other comic book characters (while trying to tie it to spider venom of all things) makes it feel kinda generic for a spider power.
Well Miles' spider was genetically altered, as opposed to the radioactive spider that bit main universe Peter Parker.
Once Oscorp realized they made a Spider that resulted in a human gaining super powers, they began testing to recreate it. Miles' spider was made with the full intention of giving someone wacky powers and being an improvement on the current Spider-Man at the time.
I’m sorry but electric green lantern powers are where I draw the line. That’s dumb as hell. If I wanted to read about a spider-man with swords I’d read deadpool.
I feel like the webbing is among the worst. Only it and the sword require that Miles can make "solid electricity".
Though it is better than the sword because it follows the spider-motif.
Powers 2, 3, 5, 9 and 10 make sense with 1. So I don’t mind it, it’s basically an extension of how electricity works. 4 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense but I guess maybe the electricity is making his muscles contract tighter?
6-8 I’m just not a fan of because it feels like it’s too much of a jump in power, makes it feel like he’s become storm or Thor
11-12 I have no idea how that would work.
13 I don’t care how it works, it’s awesome!
Right, but how does the electricity propel Miles? I get that it’s a comic book and I’m not supposed to think too hard about this stuff. But this feels less like conducting electricity through body contact and more like, he can just do it because so.
I’m with you bro. Him shooting lightning kamehamehas and have electric swords is Fucking badass. It’s a comic book it’s supposed to be fun and dope. Miles deadass feels like a shonen character and I am here for all of it
How often I’ve heard this is insane for how bad of a take it is. For starters it’s his powers. It’s not a get out of jail free card. He literally gets clapped by one of the makers inventions when he tries to use venom on it. On top of that Miles isn’t the better Spider-Man. He’s not even in the same realm of intelligence
There’s a recurring motif in his comics where he will be fighting someone in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery (because he doesn’t have any villains of his own) and he will be on the ropes until…Venom Blast! And it magically wins the fight for him. It’s shockingly groan-inducing how often it happens.
Please do not think I consider him a better *anything*. He’s the most derivative character in Marvel history. They gave him additional powers in the feeble attempt to make him unique.
There’s a recurring motif in his comics where he will be fighting someone in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery (because he doesn’t have any villains of his own) and he will be on the ropes until…Venom Blast! And it magically wins the fight for him. It’s shockingly groan-inducing how often it happens.
Tbh this annoys the hell out of me as well, it happens in every single fight sence, and it always gets used more whenever he is fighting one of Petes mainline villains. I get that it somewhat makes some sense that they would work better on people that are used to fighting Pete, but we are at a point were its there are no stakes most of the time because Miles will just venom blast the problem away.
But I don't think Miles is derivative he is unique his first 2 runs displayed this perfectly he isn't Peter, he is over his head constantly and he fucks up all the time, he is very naive and very inexperienced, his mom fucking dies in front of him and he quits heroics for a whole year, he has been shoved into a world were he shouldn't be in. There is no way that in his first 2 runs he was derivative. But then once he got shifted over to 616. and then new series' are much more bland, they just brought his mom back to life, and now they just keep teasing us with flashbacks of 1610. The newer runs of Miles' book are dumb, boring, and extremely bland.
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The usage of the venom blast is dumb, he needs some actual villains of his own, and he isn't that derivative his newer books are just getting more and more bland.
Every mainline character in any marvel comic book messes up. What makes every character different is how they mess up. Also what peter are we talking about 1610 or 616?
I am usually referring to 616, but I liked Ultimate Spider-Man as well. Felt like it was a worthwhile retelling of the Spider-Man story updating a lot of the more outdated aspects of the character. But when they bulldozed the Ultimate line to put Morales front and center felt very insincere and virtue-signaling. Couldn’t come up with an interesting power set for a person of color, so they just gave him a xeroxed copy of the most interesting power set and added a Venom Blast to it.
There are degrees. A lot of characters fly, for example, so it wouldn’t be fair to say that all flying heroes are derivative of Superman. Sure, they are inspired by him, because he was the first super hero, but the designs, backstories, and additional power sets differ enough.
Morales has the exact same power set as Spider-Man. He wears the same design. He received his powers in the same way. He’s a science kid who deals with power and responsibility. He fights vultures, goblins, octopuses, and rhinos amongst others. The sheer number of similarities make him a derivative character.
The *only* thing that differentiates him is his race. That makes him a palette swap. Virtue signaling of the most shameless variety.
This is factually not true. Kane, Ben, Jessica, Silk, all have similar power sets to Peter. Miles has 2 additional abilities and in exchange has worse spidersense and isn’t as physically strong, in addition to him not having Peter’s genius intellect. Miles costume isn’t the same as Peter’s, it’s similar but it isn’t the same design. The circumstances for Miles being bitten weren’t even remotely similar to Peter. Miles isn’t a science kid he’s an art kid, he can’t even make his own web fluid without help and barely manages to scrape by in school. Every other Spider person in 616 also fights Peter’s rouge gallery, that’s expected of any legacy character. He’s consistently been getting more rouges of his own as well.
“The only thing that differentiates them is the race”, really? Not the different family circumstances, different cultural backgrounds, different interests/hobbies, different supporting casts, different life circumstances, different abilities, etc.
You might have a point of it being “virtue signaling of the most shameless variety”, if your points were accurate. Regardless, even if they were just about every minority superhero was created to virtue signal and attract a more diverse audience. So this isn’t new.
The examples you stated make a fair point. I suppose they are all derivative, but l would also say it is a question of degree. Kane and Ben were literal clones of Peter, so of course their power sets were the same. But on the virtue that they were created in labs, their origin becomes different, and in subsequent storylines their personalities began to differ from Peter.
Silk was an addition to the Spidey universe, the idea being she was bitten by the same spider that day and received similar but not identical powers. But she was never called “spider-woman” and if anything she was a secondary character in the whole mythos. Jessica *was* labeled spider-woman, but even though her powers overlapped with Peter, her origin and design were very different and at least in the beginning she wasn’t a side character in Spider-Man’s stories. If they had called her Moth Woman or Mantis Woman she probably wouldn’t have been derivative at all.
The issue with Morales is that he essentially usurped the title of Spider-Man. They made him *just* different enough - a different color suit, a change in his academics, a couple of additional powers - but then killed off Peter and started calling him Spider-Man like nothing happened. I remember the first appearance of Morales and man, it was jarring. Blatantly obvious what they were doing, to the point they obliterated 1610 in order to shove Morales into 616. That was the primary reason for the Incursions and Secret Wars.
There is no such thing as a wholly unique character in storytelling, there is going to be some degree of borrowing in any new hero you make. However, morales has more overlap than should be reasonably allowed, and it rings hollow. I would like to see more original characters created by people of color, but all they seem to want to make are reskins, not even giving black creators a chance to be creative. Hell, Morales was created by a white dude.
Not really derivative if the whole point of those characters is to be alternate versions of an established hero. It’s like saying Superboy is a derivative of Clark when the entire point is to establish a character with similar powers but with a different personality/outlook/etc. Having a different name doesn’t make something any less derivative by the way.
You already acknowledged that at the end of the day most other spider people share similar abilities as Peter, nothing Miles shows in the above pages is even remotely within the realm of what Peter can do so that’s already a significant change.
Uh no, they obliterated 1610 because the Ultimate line of comics weren’t selling well especially after Ultimatum. The ONLY reason Miles wasn’t deleted along with the rest of that universe is because he was one of the few characters who were doing decently well at the time amongst other things.
They didn’t just start calling Miles Spider-Man like “nothing happened”. For starters they already had plans to kill Ultimate Peter off before Miles was even conceived. He got his powers becuase his Uncle (the Prowler) robbed an Oscorp facility and accidentally brought along a different variant of the spider that gave Peter his powers, which just so happened to bite Miles. The entire set of circumstances leading up to him getting his powers is already different. Your also ignoring literally every other aspect of the character that separates him from Peter my dude.
The comparisons with other Spider people taking on different names doesn’t really work since Miles was created to both be the new Spider-Man for the Ultimate universe and also show that anyone can be Spider-Man. Like that’s the entire point of the character.
“Miles Morales has more overlap then what is reasonable allowed”, such as? Because I previously went down a laundry list of things that differ between the characters. It might ring hollow to you but that’s a matter of personal opinion at this point. Been quite a steady stream of original characters created by POC recently, and what’s him being created by a white dude got to do with anything? Most non white comic characters were created by white dudes, like Black Panther, Cyborg, War Machine, Falcon, etc.
He’s being written by black writers so I don’t really see the issue.
Isn’t the last page literally him fighting one of the villains from his rouge gallery? Also if there are no stakes since he can just venom blast problems away how does he mess up constantly?
Just a trashy plot-convenient superpower that just has "electricity" associated with it. It's like TW Flash's 'speedforce' power which makes sense in the start (running fast) but then writers start taking *creative liberties* with it and make ridiculous things
Like venom blast sword? Venom blast beam? Venom blast propulsion? Seriously? At that point it can do whatever and the character loses their sense of cohesiveness.
Watching the power evolve over the years has been such a treat. I can’t fathom why so many people in here hate the powers and want him to be a carbon copy of Peter when that’s boring.
He wasn’t bitten by the same spider that bit Pete. Hes got vastly different potential powers and I’m glad as time goes on his power is really setting him apart as well as his personality is growing to set him apart from Pete.
There's room for compromise between having him be the exact same as peter(which I've never seen anyone say they want) and turning him into electro mini and having him make swords. A middle ground has to exist somewhere
Not literally. Just generally meant the electricity manipulation. Some of these are nice extensions of his powers like electrocution through webbing or powering that drill for instance but it's gone a bit too far imo
That's fair enough. I was just a big fan of his original incarnation and once he started doing New 52 Superman supernova explosions with his electricity it just got to be too much for me and it lost me
Sure but there’s like dozens of superheroes who can do that. Hell they have multiple green lanterns who all differ based on the constructs they choose to use and their imagination with it. I don’t get saying he’s an electro clone cause he can use electricity when he uses it vastly differently
Hey gonna do some real talk
I lived reading Miles but then I moved around a lot and they brought out a bunch of different titles and I got confused and I never could get back into the lineup
AFTER Miles meets "Ultimate Peter" could anyone point me in the right direction if I wanted to pick up where I left off and what titles are next?
Sounds like you stopped reading during Miles Morales The Ultimate Spider-Man.
Miles' main series reading order currently is
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man
Miles Morales The Ultimate Spider-Man(where you presumably stopped)
Spider-Man(2016-2018)
Miles Morales Spider-Man(2018-2022)
Miles Morales Spider Man(2022- currently ongoing)
Of course, but just like other heroes there will be instances where he is without one, be it facing a loved one, having it stolen off his face, being kidnapped, being all on his own etc.
It's gotten to the point where he's damn near a green lantern with it. He already had the Venom blast and the camouflage ability to set him apart and be unique, but now it's just gotten a bit dumb for me. I mean, making a sword out of electricity? Really?
Could someone recommend a good place to get into the Miles Morales aspect of the comics? I loved both the game, and ‘Across the Spiderverse’ film, would love to learn more about the character.
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man was Miles' first series, if you want to start at his Origin in his original universe, you'd begin there.
Spider-Man(2016-2018) was when Miles joined the main marvel comic universe and is where he currently resides, would be decent start for if you want to see Miles interact with the bigger Marvel universe.
Miles Morales Spider-Man (2022-) is his current comic run and only 6 issues in so far, if you want a recent jumping on point and want to keep up with what he's doing currently, this is your place.
Why do they call it a “venom blast” when it’s just electricity?
Because Bendis is not as original as he or people try to give him credit for. Jessica Drew aka Spider-woman aka who he originally wanted to have as the lead of Alias. Has the ability to generate bio-electricity, a power she calls her venom blast. Bendis stole the power from her to give to Miles.
Can someone kick Bendis in the nuts for this it is so lame.
Because initially it was viewed as being like a toxin that a spider would inject into their prey to paralyse them, but as he's gotten older the power has gotten stronger and just visually more interesting.
Right. Basically it was a neuro-toxin sort of thing. That's why Miles had to touch people to actually do it. Basically, like many things Miles it got lost in translation. I think it being a venom neuro-toxin type thing was so much more interesting, because it made me wonder what other type of toxins Miles could have in him. I feel like a lot of the original Miles from the Ultimate comics got swept under the rug. In terms of personality, character, and even powers. Man has transformed radically. Although, Batman and Supes have had similar radical transformations.
Probably to make it sound more spider-related.
It really lost its way when it became outright electrokinesis. There’s more interesting potential in the venom strike being something more internal, especially in the different ways it can react in what its being used on. It made electricity short circuit, it put people to sleep. Down the line, it could’ve resuscitated or stopped hearts altogether, switched the abilities of others on and off temporarily, maybe even cut the lights to whatever building he’s in to get a sudden edge on an opponent
some of these are basic electrcity others are stupid
The lazer, mega blast, energy webs, and sword are the dumbest of them all. Hell the energy webs are another copied power from a spider person Arachne. Why are all of Miles powers rehashes of other Spider-People.
nah the mega blast is just high energy build up. the laser doesn’t make any sense or the sword or the webs
But the mega blast is kinda boring. Man just explodes towards something. That is okay, but the way it is used is pretty basic.
You miss the point, and I disagree
Technically speaking, he's still capable of doing everything you mentioned. The only thing seperating him knocking out a building of people or just the lights of the building is voltage.
Technically speaking, sure. But as you’ve demonstrated in your post that’ll never be how they explore his abilities anymore. The most recent iteration is an electric sword lmao
I wouldn't say never. If this post does anything, i hope it shows that Miles' power is adaptable. Peter makes gadgets to handle different problems, Miles will adapt his powers to how he needs it and when he needs it.
??? All it shows is that his writers gave up on it being something simpler…you literally have the proof right here. They already jumped the shark. The next time Miles “adapts” it he’ll probably make another sparkling Green Lantern construct
Well he hasn't made a giant boxing glove yet so we aint quite there yet. If you flung Miles in the middle of space, no amount of Venom Blast gonna save him in a situation like that. And charging a drill battery is pretty low on the Venom Blast scale. His power is flexible, if he needs to let loose, he'll let loose. If he needs to dial it back, he will, he's done it before. His power isn't some uncontrollable energy where he only goes bigger bigger bigger. If he learns how to do CPR his answer to resucitating someone won't be to charge them like a car battery or stab em with a lighting sword and hopes it works.
I think the point you're missing is that sometimes less is more, this person wished that venom blast has remained a subtle, small scale thing, which could be used in nuanced and subtle situations. Giving him the ability to conjure electrical constructs like swords doesn't remove that nuance, but it certainly overshadows it, and what was originally a cool, subtle but significant 'venom' ability is now essentially just lightning magic. To me, it just doesn't feel like Spider-Man - I understand each iteration is different, but it's not my cup of tea.
Frankly, I've always had a weird headcannon that Miles was supposed to be at some point like secret agent spidey. Idk I htink there was a cover implying he was going to work for shield and ever since I've kinda wanted it to happen. But seriously, Miles venom ability was kind of cool. but even then it had big problems.
When Miles started, I was honestly ok with it just being a thing he did where he needed to physically touch someone. I think it's gotten way out of hand now.
Absolutely. I loved it when it was introduced. When it started being used as a projectile it completely lost me.
Even then I remember thinking it was a bit over the top, because it was so convenient. It did what he needed every time, regardless of who it was or how they needed to be subdued. It's gone so far beyond that though. It's very silly.
Actually I agree and disagree. Even earlier, it was used as an all pupose knockout technique. It just was used as Miles get out of jail card back then, like ALOT. I still agree with the lowkey aspect being cool, but even then its use was not inventive.
Ofc they HAD to give him electric powers😒 what’s with black characters and electricity
Venom Blast is too overpowered. I only know of Norman Osborn (as Red Goblin) to have taken it without falling unconscious.
Rhino as well. When the eritrr after Bendis took over be definitely tried to nerf it. How effective that was I don't know because I stopped following the series.
Rhino as well. When the eritrr after Bendis took over be definitely tried to nerf it. How effective that was I don't know because I stopped following the series.
The original Ultimate version was the ideal one. Now he’s just Electro lite sometimes with it.
Electrolyte
I mean, it is becoming less Spider-man and more Electro-man.
Me: I think Miles’ powers are getting out of hand Miles: (Makes an electric sword) Me: NEVER MIND THEY’RE JUST FINE
I don't agree with you but I love how you came to your conclusion!
It got way worse over the years
Eh, they’re trying to differentiate Miles from Peter as much as possible so they can tell different stories with different angles. To me it’s disappointing that they keep amping his powers - invisibility- stronger and stronger venom blasts and power swords , along side the super powers of Spider-Man. It just feels real fan-fictiony.They should focus on good stories , not just growing power levels and more and more abilities.
I think they need to take a note out of manga and focus on HOW abilities are used, and HOW Miles acts as a Spider-Man. The core problem I had with Miles before 2018 was that he was, in personality and everything else, very similar to Peter. What Miles needs now is a writer who focuses on how he goes about being Spidey differently. For example, Maybe Miles could use different Martial arts (look at MIdoriya focusing on Feet in MHA for example), swing differently, or focusing on using invisibility more. I just think a new approach to HOW he is Spidey and giving him awesome villains is all he needs. He just needs more villains thrown at the wall.
Amazing work dude. I wonder if we will see this in the video game.
Thanks alot.
awful
Yikes this ability really makes no sense to me. Spider powers so of course electric abilities right?? It should have been something he could only apply through physical touch like a sting or spider bite, it could have just stuck to different uses like inducing extreme nerve pain or paralysis like a venom might do but they’ve gone way too far with this. Looks cool though right.
So I went a googled if spiders can use electricity at all, and it turns out they use static electricity to attract prey to they're webs according to a study done by Oxford University. So I guess the writers figured that making that proportional to human sized would be electric powers?
Ok but using it and generating it themselves is different, are they generating the static or is it being created by more normal means? Like the way a human creates static. What I can do my dragging my sock across the carpet and shocking someone when I touch them is different than what an electric eel does. Either way miles shooting it out like he’s freakin electro is too much imo.
The article didn't go into that, so I'm going to say it's created by normal means to ere on the side of caution. I'm not sure how a spider makes static electricity with an exo-skeleton, but I'm also not sure how a spider would generate it's own static electricity. Also, I can see why it's a bit much for some. It makes it seem like the writers are just trying to find ways to use the ability to make it look cool as opposed to having it used in more creative ways. Personally I'm pretty ok with it, to me it's cool visually and takes something few people know about spiders and makes it a way to separate Miles' abilities from Peter's more. However, I definitely think it's very over the top and the fact that it is just throwing it lightning like Electro and a ton of other comic book characters (while trying to tie it to spider venom of all things) makes it feel kinda generic for a spider power.
Well Miles' spider was genetically altered, as opposed to the radioactive spider that bit main universe Peter Parker. Once Oscorp realized they made a Spider that resulted in a human gaining super powers, they began testing to recreate it. Miles' spider was made with the full intention of giving someone wacky powers and being an improvement on the current Spider-Man at the time.
Its a power he stole from Spider-woman
Spider-women multiple, his friggin electro webs are pretty much identical to Arachne's psy webs.
Insomniac games be like: Write that down!!! Write that down!!!!!
I’m sorry but electric green lantern powers are where I draw the line. That’s dumb as hell. If I wanted to read about a spider-man with swords I’d read deadpool.
Some of these are fine like the webbing but then some of these are just Electro feats.
I feel like the webbing is among the worst. Only it and the sword require that Miles can make "solid electricity". Though it is better than the sword because it follows the spider-motif.
Whoa I didn’t know about the venom sword…dope
I was cool with it when it was basically just paralysis but now that he's basically become Electro it's gotten way out of hand.
Powers 2, 3, 5, 9 and 10 make sense with 1. So I don’t mind it, it’s basically an extension of how electricity works. 4 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense but I guess maybe the electricity is making his muscles contract tighter? 6-8 I’m just not a fan of because it feels like it’s too much of a jump in power, makes it feel like he’s become storm or Thor 11-12 I have no idea how that would work. 13 I don’t care how it works, it’s awesome!
12 is the venom jump from the game
Right, but how does the electricity propel Miles? I get that it’s a comic book and I’m not supposed to think too hard about this stuff. But this feels less like conducting electricity through body contact and more like, he can just do it because so.
magnetism railgun i guess
You know, that’s good enough for me! Thanks
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with his powers ?
I like em just fine :)
I mean they DID get out of hand but while they look cool I'm ok with that
I’m with you bro. Him shooting lightning kamehamehas and have electric swords is Fucking badass. It’s a comic book it’s supposed to be fun and dope. Miles deadass feels like a shonen character and I am here for all of it
It’s always been the Get Out of Jail Free card. And that coupled with his invisibility has just been a lazy way to make him “better” than Spider-Man.
How often I’ve heard this is insane for how bad of a take it is. For starters it’s his powers. It’s not a get out of jail free card. He literally gets clapped by one of the makers inventions when he tries to use venom on it. On top of that Miles isn’t the better Spider-Man. He’s not even in the same realm of intelligence
There’s a recurring motif in his comics where he will be fighting someone in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery (because he doesn’t have any villains of his own) and he will be on the ropes until…Venom Blast! And it magically wins the fight for him. It’s shockingly groan-inducing how often it happens. Please do not think I consider him a better *anything*. He’s the most derivative character in Marvel history. They gave him additional powers in the feeble attempt to make him unique.
There’s a recurring motif in his comics where he will be fighting someone in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery (because he doesn’t have any villains of his own) and he will be on the ropes until…Venom Blast! And it magically wins the fight for him. It’s shockingly groan-inducing how often it happens. Tbh this annoys the hell out of me as well, it happens in every single fight sence, and it always gets used more whenever he is fighting one of Petes mainline villains. I get that it somewhat makes some sense that they would work better on people that are used to fighting Pete, but we are at a point were its there are no stakes most of the time because Miles will just venom blast the problem away. But I don't think Miles is derivative he is unique his first 2 runs displayed this perfectly he isn't Peter, he is over his head constantly and he fucks up all the time, he is very naive and very inexperienced, his mom fucking dies in front of him and he quits heroics for a whole year, he has been shoved into a world were he shouldn't be in. There is no way that in his first 2 runs he was derivative. But then once he got shifted over to 616. and then new series' are much more bland, they just brought his mom back to life, and now they just keep teasing us with flashbacks of 1610. The newer runs of Miles' book are dumb, boring, and extremely bland. TLDR The usage of the venom blast is dumb, he needs some actual villains of his own, and he isn't that derivative his newer books are just getting more and more bland.
I mean, Peter messes up a lot too. It’s part of what makes him Spider-Man…and another way in which morales is derivative…
Every mainline character in any marvel comic book messes up. What makes every character different is how they mess up. Also what peter are we talking about 1610 or 616?
I am usually referring to 616, but I liked Ultimate Spider-Man as well. Felt like it was a worthwhile retelling of the Spider-Man story updating a lot of the more outdated aspects of the character. But when they bulldozed the Ultimate line to put Morales front and center felt very insincere and virtue-signaling. Couldn’t come up with an interesting power set for a person of color, so they just gave him a xeroxed copy of the most interesting power set and added a Venom Blast to it.
Every hero messes up, to suggest sharing that makes a character derivative is insane since that’s a basic trait shared in humans.
Agreed.
There are degrees. A lot of characters fly, for example, so it wouldn’t be fair to say that all flying heroes are derivative of Superman. Sure, they are inspired by him, because he was the first super hero, but the designs, backstories, and additional power sets differ enough. Morales has the exact same power set as Spider-Man. He wears the same design. He received his powers in the same way. He’s a science kid who deals with power and responsibility. He fights vultures, goblins, octopuses, and rhinos amongst others. The sheer number of similarities make him a derivative character. The *only* thing that differentiates him is his race. That makes him a palette swap. Virtue signaling of the most shameless variety.
This is factually not true. Kane, Ben, Jessica, Silk, all have similar power sets to Peter. Miles has 2 additional abilities and in exchange has worse spidersense and isn’t as physically strong, in addition to him not having Peter’s genius intellect. Miles costume isn’t the same as Peter’s, it’s similar but it isn’t the same design. The circumstances for Miles being bitten weren’t even remotely similar to Peter. Miles isn’t a science kid he’s an art kid, he can’t even make his own web fluid without help and barely manages to scrape by in school. Every other Spider person in 616 also fights Peter’s rouge gallery, that’s expected of any legacy character. He’s consistently been getting more rouges of his own as well. “The only thing that differentiates them is the race”, really? Not the different family circumstances, different cultural backgrounds, different interests/hobbies, different supporting casts, different life circumstances, different abilities, etc. You might have a point of it being “virtue signaling of the most shameless variety”, if your points were accurate. Regardless, even if they were just about every minority superhero was created to virtue signal and attract a more diverse audience. So this isn’t new.
The examples you stated make a fair point. I suppose they are all derivative, but l would also say it is a question of degree. Kane and Ben were literal clones of Peter, so of course their power sets were the same. But on the virtue that they were created in labs, their origin becomes different, and in subsequent storylines their personalities began to differ from Peter. Silk was an addition to the Spidey universe, the idea being she was bitten by the same spider that day and received similar but not identical powers. But she was never called “spider-woman” and if anything she was a secondary character in the whole mythos. Jessica *was* labeled spider-woman, but even though her powers overlapped with Peter, her origin and design were very different and at least in the beginning she wasn’t a side character in Spider-Man’s stories. If they had called her Moth Woman or Mantis Woman she probably wouldn’t have been derivative at all. The issue with Morales is that he essentially usurped the title of Spider-Man. They made him *just* different enough - a different color suit, a change in his academics, a couple of additional powers - but then killed off Peter and started calling him Spider-Man like nothing happened. I remember the first appearance of Morales and man, it was jarring. Blatantly obvious what they were doing, to the point they obliterated 1610 in order to shove Morales into 616. That was the primary reason for the Incursions and Secret Wars. There is no such thing as a wholly unique character in storytelling, there is going to be some degree of borrowing in any new hero you make. However, morales has more overlap than should be reasonably allowed, and it rings hollow. I would like to see more original characters created by people of color, but all they seem to want to make are reskins, not even giving black creators a chance to be creative. Hell, Morales was created by a white dude.
Not really derivative if the whole point of those characters is to be alternate versions of an established hero. It’s like saying Superboy is a derivative of Clark when the entire point is to establish a character with similar powers but with a different personality/outlook/etc. Having a different name doesn’t make something any less derivative by the way. You already acknowledged that at the end of the day most other spider people share similar abilities as Peter, nothing Miles shows in the above pages is even remotely within the realm of what Peter can do so that’s already a significant change. Uh no, they obliterated 1610 because the Ultimate line of comics weren’t selling well especially after Ultimatum. The ONLY reason Miles wasn’t deleted along with the rest of that universe is because he was one of the few characters who were doing decently well at the time amongst other things. They didn’t just start calling Miles Spider-Man like “nothing happened”. For starters they already had plans to kill Ultimate Peter off before Miles was even conceived. He got his powers becuase his Uncle (the Prowler) robbed an Oscorp facility and accidentally brought along a different variant of the spider that gave Peter his powers, which just so happened to bite Miles. The entire set of circumstances leading up to him getting his powers is already different. Your also ignoring literally every other aspect of the character that separates him from Peter my dude. The comparisons with other Spider people taking on different names doesn’t really work since Miles was created to both be the new Spider-Man for the Ultimate universe and also show that anyone can be Spider-Man. Like that’s the entire point of the character. “Miles Morales has more overlap then what is reasonable allowed”, such as? Because I previously went down a laundry list of things that differ between the characters. It might ring hollow to you but that’s a matter of personal opinion at this point. Been quite a steady stream of original characters created by POC recently, and what’s him being created by a white dude got to do with anything? Most non white comic characters were created by white dudes, like Black Panther, Cyborg, War Machine, Falcon, etc. He’s being written by black writers so I don’t really see the issue.
Isn’t the last page literally him fighting one of the villains from his rouge gallery? Also if there are no stakes since he can just venom blast problems away how does he mess up constantly?
The rogues gallery jab has been outdated for actual years now.
Just a trashy plot-convenient superpower that just has "electricity" associated with it. It's like TW Flash's 'speedforce' power which makes sense in the start (running fast) but then writers start taking *creative liberties* with it and make ridiculous things Like venom blast sword? Venom blast beam? Venom blast propulsion? Seriously? At that point it can do whatever and the character loses their sense of cohesiveness.
Boooooo fun hater
Awesome ability, love it.
Watching the power evolve over the years has been such a treat. I can’t fathom why so many people in here hate the powers and want him to be a carbon copy of Peter when that’s boring. He wasn’t bitten by the same spider that bit Pete. Hes got vastly different potential powers and I’m glad as time goes on his power is really setting him apart as well as his personality is growing to set him apart from Pete.
There's room for compromise between having him be the exact same as peter(which I've never seen anyone say they want) and turning him into electro mini and having him make swords. A middle ground has to exist somewhere
When did electro ever make swords?
Not literally. Just generally meant the electricity manipulation. Some of these are nice extensions of his powers like electrocution through webbing or powering that drill for instance but it's gone a bit too far imo
I think he's suppose to be a mix between Spider-man and Static. Ive never been a (peter parker) spider-man fan so im loving it.
That's fair enough. I was just a big fan of his original incarnation and once he started doing New 52 Superman supernova explosions with his electricity it just got to be too much for me and it lost me
I mean he can make electical constructs so he really could make a sword if he wanted too.
Sure but there’s like dozens of superheroes who can do that. Hell they have multiple green lanterns who all differ based on the constructs they choose to use and their imagination with it. I don’t get saying he’s an electro clone cause he can use electricity when he uses it vastly differently
He made a dumb little electric sword yet that somehow translates to him making electric constructs?
I’m 100% on board with the spider-saber
Hey gonna do some real talk I lived reading Miles but then I moved around a lot and they brought out a bunch of different titles and I got confused and I never could get back into the lineup AFTER Miles meets "Ultimate Peter" could anyone point me in the right direction if I wanted to pick up where I left off and what titles are next?
Sounds like you stopped reading during Miles Morales The Ultimate Spider-Man. Miles' main series reading order currently is Ultimate Comics Spider-Man Miles Morales The Ultimate Spider-Man(where you presumably stopped) Spider-Man(2016-2018) Miles Morales Spider-Man(2018-2022) Miles Morales Spider Man(2022- currently ongoing)
Thank you You're the boss
Does miles ever keep his mask on?
Of course, but just like other heroes there will be instances where he is without one, be it facing a loved one, having it stolen off his face, being kidnapped, being all on his own etc.
Where is the second image from?
Spider-Men issue #2
Thanks, friend.
Feel like sometimes they go a bit to far with the venom blast like miles making a sword out of it
I always thought it was interesting that they like giving spider-people electric powers. You know, like spiders don’t have.
It's gotten to the point where he's damn near a green lantern with it. He already had the Venom blast and the camouflage ability to set him apart and be unique, but now it's just gotten a bit dumb for me. I mean, making a sword out of electricity? Really?
Some of these are just a straight up energy blast similar to what Captain Marvel can do and I don't think it suits Miles.
Could someone recommend a good place to get into the Miles Morales aspect of the comics? I loved both the game, and ‘Across the Spiderverse’ film, would love to learn more about the character.
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man was Miles' first series, if you want to start at his Origin in his original universe, you'd begin there. Spider-Man(2016-2018) was when Miles joined the main marvel comic universe and is where he currently resides, would be decent start for if you want to see Miles interact with the bigger Marvel universe. Miles Morales Spider-Man (2022-) is his current comic run and only 6 issues in so far, if you want a recent jumping on point and want to keep up with what he's doing currently, this is your place.
Really helpful comment, thank you!
Across the Spiderverse hasn’t come out yet though