I had some of them as a kid.


Same, got them as a Christmas gift from family in Finland. They were a fun summer project, and I only ever used around half of the eggs. I still know where the rest are, but I doubt they'd still be alive after ~15 years.


I believe people have successfully hatched 30 year old triops eggs. I know for a fact we've found em in pools that hadn't held water in a dozen years.


Fair enough. I just might have to go looking for some cheap aquarium supplies to test them out then. Although I'm not sure if they've been stored properly all this time though.


Pool in the backyard?


I don't think that'd be a good idea up here in Iceland lol. Probably best to keep them indoors.


Oh. And I thought it got cold here in Northern Ontario, Canada.


It's not necessarily the winter temperatures I'm worried about, I'm pretty sure it gets much colder in Ontario than it does here in Reykjavík. I'm more worried about the low summer temperatures here in Iceland, as it barely goes above 15°C for more than a few consecutive days.


15°C is equivalent to 59°F, which is 288K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)


Oh wow! Yeah in the summers we can get up to 30°C on a really hot day, so 20 is usual for us. 15°C is where I'm the most comfortable though... lol


Yeah, we get a total of maybe 2 weeks worth of +20°C weather scattered over the whole summer. It's usually around 10-15° and the max temperature record in the whole country is like 31°C, decades ago and far from Reykjavík lol.


30°C is equivalent to 86°F, which is 303K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)


I wonder if they’d survive in Myvatn.


Check out /r/Triops for tips.


As if they'd be "stored properly" in nature!


Oh, you’d be surprised, I’m pretty sure those eggs could survive a lot longer than 15 years.


Could be another neat summer experiment!


You should try though


I'm sorry, I'm from Finland and have never heard of these. Couldn't even find a wikipedia article in finnish abou them. Any reason in particular why the finnish family gave you them?


Indeed, they're often sold as novelty pets, which begs to question why OP put sightings of them as "rare."


Kinda like how a common and cheap pet can be endangered. Captive vs wild.


Like axolotls,


In captivity: axolotl In the wild: axolitl


I see you


I thought these looked like triops. I could believe they're a bigger related species.


Yeah my mom bought me some when I was kid for like 5 or 10 bucks. If they only knew what a precious commodity they were giving away


The triops sold in kits are common, but many wild triops are found in solely in specific small pools and usually have been isolated from each other for millions of years - these areas are threatened by a variety of human activities and thus every (oftentimes under studied) regional form is rare.


Thanks that was interesting!


I mean, I don't think I've ever seen them in the wild


Yeah I did as well they were cute! The biggest one did end up devouring the other 3 though... I learned that life can be cruel that day


Me too, I believe they were called triops or something like that. They look a lot freakier underneath too.


Wait...are these sea monkeys? I knew they(the monkeys) were a kind of a shrimp but didn't know what kind. Edit: Sea monkeys are Brine shrimp, Just checked wiki. Poor fellas all died when I took a vacation to Atlantic city. Came home to a dry container.


I think those are something else. The ones I bought were called Triops


Sea monkeys are brine shrimp. They don't have this shell top and are much, much smaller.


I bred a few with the intent to be food for my fish tank (pufferfish). They were so endearing I let them live their full lives as pets in their own right.




Can you give me an idea of scale? I feel like the lense is playing tricks on me. I used to go to tide pools and watch seahares, saw some horseshoe crabs and whatnot...these seem way too large for the way they look if that makes sense lol. I'm guessing they're WAY tinier than Horseshoe crabs but it's hard to tell by the way it's all shot.


Hells yeah. They called them triops. I sent an envelope full of change to Florida for more eggs


Ugh. I had some a few years ago. Went out of town for a while and my friend babysat them. I warned her that they were at the end of their lifespan and not to worry if the last one or two died on her. Well it did. And she felt bad. So now I have a fancy gold fish who will never die despite his swim bladder issue.


I've had several triops breeding kits in the past. They all failed to hatch


If you told me that these grow into horse shoe crabs, I'd believe you.


Cool because horseshoe crabs are ancient as well. I always love seein them because it’s like looking back in time.


They're blood also saves lives. Harvesting their blood for medical purposes is big money! (must be done in a lab environment - don't go out to the beach hoping to get rich)


Also, the current harvesting methods are killing the species... we should probably stop that.


If it were only that simple. Unfortunately their blood has been absolutely essential in testing injectable drugs for endotoxins. In recent years scientist have developed a synthetic alternative but the efficacy has not reached widespread acceptance.


Can you breed horseshoes?


> Can you breed horseshoes? i can try, i'll let you know


>i can try, i'll let you know Whilst you're at it, can you try and breed red Timberlands as well? I'm quite fond of the ones that grow in the wild.


for sure. will take a bit of time however, bear with me ty


I was involved in a research study in college on mating behaviors of horseshoe crabs. They only came to the shallow water along the beaches to mate during nighttime high tide events. I’m not sure how successful breeding attempts in captivity would be unless you could simulate the high tide conditions that signal to individuals that it’s time to mate. Would be really interesting to look into.


>I was involved in a research study in college on mating behaviors of horseshoe crabs. They only came to the shallow water along the beaches to mate during nighttime high tide events. I’m not sure how successful breeding attempts in captivity would be unless you could simulate the high tide conditions that signal it’s time to mate. Would be really interesting to look into. Wow yea, thanks for sharing this. With how valuable their blood is, I wouldn't be surprised if there have been several expensive, failed attempts. Hmm... new business idea!


Well it needs to. This seems kinda important.


I’m sure they’ll read this and get on it double time!


Easy to say right up until you or someone you love needs said drugs. It's kinda like saying "oh? Oil is killing the planet? Just simply stop everyone from using it!"


I mean, if you kill all the crabs you won't have anything to use, yeah?


Yes, a balance needs to be struck. Just like how we need to kill some animals for food, but shouldn't bring them to extinction. The key for balance is that ***we still do the thing to a degree***.


Exactly. Yes, they’re essential to many. Therefore, the survival of their species should be treated essentially. Not only in captivity. God. Our human race has caused the extinction of countless species. I wonder how many could’ve been proven to be essential. Maybe we’ve killed our chances of curing ALS, Parkinson’s, MS… etc. Ugh. What a thought. My apologies, Debbie Downer


yes but what do you tell that same loved one when there are no drugs for them because we killed all of the animals that made the drugs.


"everyone do better except me. I'm the exception. I'm special. no one else is"


Then they should grow and maintain a nonwild supply if it's so important. Being useful to science isn't an excuse to decimate a population or contributing to it's extinction.


> Being useful to science isn't an excuse to decimate a population or contributing to it's extinction. infact it should be having the opposite treatment. If it's so usefull, we should be protecting it from extinction so we can still use it for futures to come.


Good thing there are sanctuaries like next to my house where they save sea creatures and reptiles. For instance they have an alligator that was confiscated from a drug dealers house where it had been living in a bathtub and had never seen sunlight it's entire life yet it was 5 years old. They have an entire horseshoe crab exhibit where they let you feed them and teach you all about them and show you all of their cool legs and stuff. The whole place is headed up by a biologist. They also have one of the biggest groupers I've ever seen, that also does tricks with a scuba diver in the water.


That’s kinda scary. Kinda like doing tricks with a toothless, but very much still strong tiger, with added nightmares of underwater-ness


No it's not. This is the one time we aren't being stupid about using animals for our own benefits. They released back into the wild once the blood is taken.


To be fair, there's a [pretty high death rate](https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2006607#sec002) after they're unhooked from their Matrix-like blood siphon machines and released back into the wild. (As high as 30% for those who don't want to click link)


that's because for some reason they taste much better after the machines are done with them.


The pictures of the harvest are metal as fuck,I strongly encourage everybody Google it. It's wild.




Yeah! I'm partial to the old timey beach pics. https://images.app.goo.gl/v9qndu5N2o5cddfn7


Wasn't there a Pokemon episode about their endangered status thinly veiled as like an island where they found Kabuto in large numbers and people started taking them for their shells or something?


I know Lapras was endangered due to poaching and several children wrote game freak about it and they updated the Pokedex to read once endangered due to poaching Lapras is now getting common due to breeding efforts by trainers. Because the kids said they were breeding and releasing Lapras.


That’s so fucking depressing


Yes, but! These days they do what they can so that as many crabs as possible survive. I don't remember the numbers, but it's not at terrible as it could be.




This is some sci-fi shit wtf we doin


That’s just so sad


Well that debunks the other guy saying they're released back into the wild afterwards. They've all basically been cut in half.


> They're blood They are blood? Their* blood their = the next word or phrase belongs to them they're = they are there = indicating a location : /


They are blood?


NPR did a great story on this


Come to Delaware, where watching horseshoe crabs fuck is a state pastime.


Lol I get my share here in FL. I remember once I saw a male try to dislodge another male from the female it was connected to. It was like National Geographic in front of my eyes. (He failed and the original man kept his girl)


turtles and sharks, insanely old from lineage point of view


Another tidbit of info is... Thier blood is color blue.


I had a similar thought lol


This is the Pokemon's base form


I sometimes forget that insects literally go through Pokémon level metamorphosis. Then I see other creatures and forget that they just stay equally as strange and alien as when I first saw them


The creator of Pokemon was inspired by his childhood bug collecting hobby, so you’re not far off there


“And after 10 years in this form, they get a big helmet!”


*they wear their dead mother's big helmet


I'd honestly like to see a Pokémon who evolves only after 10 real life years. Whose mature form only appears years after anyone has stopped playing the game.


Given that everyone would need it to complete the Pokedex, most players would just advance their system settings by 10 years.


Kabuto pre-evolution


Weirdly those two aren't closely related. These guys are crustaceans which as a whole are more closely related to insects. Horseshoe crabs on the other hand are not crustaceans and are related to spiders.


My first thought too!


Where is this? Looks gorgeous


Antelope Canyon or The Wave. And just a point of correction, Tadpole Shrimp are not rare at all. They come out on most dry lake beds in the southwest after it rains. I've dug up soil and given it to nephews and nieces for Christmas. They put water on the soil and these little guys come out after a day or two. They are the original sea monkeys.


And not created by white supremacists. - Sea Monkeys were made by a white supremacists before anyone says anything.


> Sea Monkeys were made by a white supremacists Marketed by. I mean, there were brine shrimp long before there were white *people*. But yeah, a problematic product at best.


Nah, created. They're a hybrid of two different species of brine shrimp that the guy intentionally crossbred.


Lol a white supremacists crossbreeding species is so ironic. What a fucking idiot.


White people were made by a sea monkey supremacist


Wait wtf is a sea monkey?




Windows 10 themes.


Looks like a different planet.


This looks like antelope canyon in Arizona / horseshoe bend


I don’t think it’s Antelope, looks like The Wave. North of the Vermillion Cliffs near the Utah border.


This is definitely The Wave.


My initial guess was the Wave, went to comments to verify


Yup, looks like another case of early doesn’t mean you’re right, but get upvoted nonetheless


Its the Wave https://www.blm.gov/programs/recreation/permits-and-passes/lotteries-and-permit-systems/arizona/coyote-buttes-north#:~:text=00%E2%80%A2%20Live-,%E2%80%A2,sandstone%20formations%20in%20the%20world.


Is it the lake Powell area?


This is the Wave not Antelope Canyon, its about an hour from Page AZ off house rock rd. Permits are required.


Yes. Page, Arizona.




I cannot believe they found these things in the Wave of all places. Absolutely outstanding


Very cool, eggs are highly resistant to desiccation and survive many years when pools dry up.


I accidentally dug one up once after a desert shower and I thought I had found a fucking alien. It was clearly dead and then.... It just started moving. Unbelievably weird.


What did you do with it


Shoved it up his butt ~Stanley


You just got meatballed! ~Tadpole shrimp




Nobody believed me as a kid that I found shrimp in a puddle out in the desert behind my house. The time before the internet was wild. Now I know what it was and my smugness meter was off the charts when I sent that article around to my family like 15 years later lol. They didn’t really remember but I did. I remembered the desert shrimp doubters. They were fairy shrimp for anyone wondering.


Totally off topic, but when I was a kid, I used to hate eating celery because it was like nettles in my mouth. I told my mom I thought I was allergic to celery, and she would always just say "That's impossible, they're just water and salt, now eat them!" Cut to age of internet, and surprise! There is an allergy to celery and I have all the symptoms. That was a good "In your face, mom!" day lol. Sometimes kids tell the truth


I'm not allergic but celery leaves an awful after taste in my mouth no matter what I smother it in, which is always the number one recommendation when I tell people I just can't eat celery. I eat plenty of foods I don't particularly like and I wish I could eat celery, but it's so gross. It turns out there's a gene that does this the way a gene makes cilantro taste like soap for some people


Also totally off-topic, but back in the ‘90s my mom used to drive home from work and would swear she saw crows in walnut trees drop walnuts onto the road in front of her to break open the nuts with the car tires. At the time, teenage me was like, LOL, mom’s crazy! After reading subsequent crow research, turns out they’re totally that smart and then some. I had to “eat crow,” so to speak, and send her the article.


I had a similar experience as a child, when describing an insect that looked like a cross between a bee and a hummingbird, with wings that moved as fast as a hummingbird's, which I witnessed drinking nectar from flowers in our backyard on multiple occasions. My mom got mad and insisted I was making it up. I asked teachers, other people, and nobody knew what I was talking about and more than a few thought I was just mistaken. It was like 20 years later that I stumbled across the [hummingbird moth](https://i.imgur.com/sfn3aRL.jpg) online, and I was like HAH I TOLD YOU SO!


that's a cute little fucker


The tree remembers what the axe forgets lol.


Its oddly cute tho, i love it


They do be scuttle’in


...your brain and then next thing you know you got a chest burster


They be like: Eryday Im Scuttle'in


I call this one Scuttle-butt




They see me scuttlin they hatin.


You can buy them. Similar to sea monkeys, except they get big like the video above. Look up “Triops”


Just be careful if you choose to buy some. They can be incredibly invasive.


So.. not such a rare sighting after all?


Depends on if you let them go into your local waterways or not.


[Box of oddities podcast](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6DlcnmIMzEMk4mBfpVlhO8?si=IarXQHgCQeaLgoEYku3-wQ) did an episode about these. It was in Arizona in a dry area that rarely gets rain. Hopefully the water didn't dry up before they were able to mate and lay eggs.


I was about to say. This looks like my one sea monkey that just didn't stop growing


I used to buy these from the book fair as a kid. Thought they were the coolest things


I bought them. Never messed with them. I actually think they’re still in the closet in my dads house attached to the little book they come with.


"that has existed"


That or this video was created millions of years ago


Or they just went extinct yesterday


Or the video is from the future!


Or he killed the last one 😢


Thank you. I read the title, saw the cool little guys swimming and was like, "uhmmm did we Jurassic Park them, or what?" Nope. They HAVE existed for 550 million YEARS.




Apparently they are common enough for that. So I am legit confused why this is a [news story](https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/amazing-living-fossils-dating-back-to-dinosaurs-found-in-arizona/). The article has the tone of a rare discovery (complete with a mini profile of the author of the video) while acknowledging that they are often sold as pets. What am I missing?


The only thing I can think of is if it’s a [native species](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triops_newberryi) instead of the common triops. Habitat destruction has really done a number on these.


Because novelty drives clicks, and even if you've figured out after-the-fact that the headline is nearly a total lie you've already clicked.


It's the New York Post. It's not actual news.


I had these as pets. Got them out of the Schoolastic book club flyers as a kid. Definitely not rare.


Which planet is it?




Fuck that shithole




Earth ☕


I just asked Alexa and she said "The World". So I guess there is your answer.


These aren't rare, they're sold in packets for pets. [Billabong Bugs](https://www.petdirectory.com.au/?page=directory&listingid=1407§ion=4).


They are rare to see in the wild, they only live in the middle of deserts in seasonal pools (not rare in numbers but difficult to time) kinda in the same way that axolotls are sold in petshops across the world but only live in one place in the wild.


To be fair, wild axolotls are quite a bit more rare than wild triops, as you mentioned, they’re found in a single locality in low numbers. Triops aren’t terribly difficult to find if you look in the right habitats and this particular species is broadly distributed throughout the southwest US and central and South America. Regardless, they’re cool as hell and many people aren’t aware of them. Thanks for sharing OP!


Not just deserts! My fellow geologists and I encountered a few dozen of them in shallow ponds in 2016 when there was an unusually wet season in the Caribou National Forest outside Soda Springs, ID. I was briefly convinced we'd found a new species because they're so weird looking. Such a cool adventure.


Fossil records I presume? How'd they survive all those extinctions though?


Luck essentially, for example trilobites and ammonites were around for really long times but one extinction just happened to take em out, same thing happened with ancient relatives of crocodiles, sharks and many fish species however their relatives survived.


Oh. You’ve let it slip. We all know now. Don’t worry lil ammonite, you might be the last of your kind on earth, but you’ll always be welcome in the beautiful and loving space that is r/natureisfuckinglit ♥️


Extinctions tend to remove the specialists: the plants and animals who evolve to take advantage of something. Generalists, those that can adapt to many unexpected events, tend to do better A long time ago, Trilobites were so numerous in species and lifestyles that any climate or geological change could remove only some. But then they became fewer, and living in only certain ecosystems: the last remaining were gone at the end the Permian. These fellows here can be dropped off in most places, and their eggs can wait for years. As long as they continue to be in a large geographical area to deal with whatever nature or man throws at them. Then they should be around for at least a few more geological eras


It's a mystery. Why did trilobites go extinct, and these li'l dudes didn't?


There’s a theory that smaller was better for a lot of animals back then when food was scarce etc. when the oxygen levels dropped the food supply got smaller too.. along with the fact shrimp come in so many forms and are highly adaptive creatures to begin with. For real, isn’t Arizona/most deserts for that matter the remains of prehistoric oceans and here these guys are waiting until it rains again to hatch it’s amazing!


Well, trilobites radiated into a lot of different species too you know, during the hundreds of millions of years they existed. They surely were very resilient in their own right.


With trilobites didn't they shed sequentially, unlike modern extant arthropods which shed their exoskeleton entirely? This leading to persistent vulnerability, where as a complete shedding has a large vulnerability but just for a brief window. Have seen it mused that the persistent vulnerability may have become insurmountable given their competitors didn't have such issues. Not sure if that's still a common hypothesis.


It also might be to do with their eggs, we don't know the properties of trilobite eggs but we do know that these guys eggs are incredibly hardy. They can dry out completely and stay in stasis for years and years then hatch like nothing happened when conditions are good again. That makes them really good at surviving drouts and natural disasters, if trilobites had eggs more similar to a normal crustacean they wouldn't be as disaster resistant.


How’s it taste with old bay on it?


Probably similar to those sand crab lil nuggets Apparently you have to rinse them with several buckets of water until they release nasty stuff, from video of one dude eating them


My first thought was 'Damn, I wonder how that tastes.'


Prehistoric poboy


This looks like you're at the wave in Arizona. Or at least somewhere in buckskin gulch area. But I'm sure that little puddle is dry plenty of times per year so how do these things just show up in the middle of a desert???


They only live in temporary pools, their eggs can survive being dried out for extremely long periods of time. They actually need to be dried out in order to hatch successfully. You can order them online as "triops" and hatch them in a lil clear tank and watch their life cycle for the few weeks it lasts, they're very interesting critters


So cool. Appreciate you sharing this




Damn they had cameras 550mil years ago? That's wild.


They look like horse shoe crabs. Hmm must of been the body trend back then lol


Yet another unrealistic body image perpetuated by the media




I think the best part about this was that it wasn’t some clout seeking ass clown messing with nature, just a respectful individual fully acknowledging the true beauty and power of not only the sea but history itself. Hats off to ya!


"Rare" sighting... here's 7!


They're also commonly sold as pets for quite cheap too.


If it ain't broke don't fix it


Good thing you only got a 3 second video of it


Go on YouTube and look up: tadpole shrimp deep look.




It feels like time travel. Same thing when watching crocodiles. Its like the song "but if you close your eyes does it feel like nothings changed at all?" For a second if you use your imagination it feels like you are in the Jurassic.