Back to eating beef and pork. A meal is normally like pork belly and some cut of steak or hamburger I’m doing anaerobic for 2 days split between arms and legs 2 weight lifting days between arms and legs and 1 day where I focus on back
You might need more rest days. Overtraining can lead to constant inflammation and water retention.
You said originally that you're stuck at 400-405. What is that measurement?
Are you eating any dairy. Just beef and pork? Anything else?
If you meant you're stuck at 400-405 pounds, then something else is going on. You should be dropping weight on beef, pork, and eggs, unless you're grossly overeating, which is unlikely if that's all you're eating.
Overeating I feel like I do but when I hear people say their portions and quantities I don’t feel like I am… for example I eat a lb maybe a lb and a half of food in a sitting. But to satiety I don’t force myself to eat more. And I get to the point where I’m repulsed by food and don’t want anymore
Yes, like u/c0mp0stable said. You might be having issue with inflammation. Try to rest for a period of time with very light exercise. Your body might be going through a lot of changes and healing. So inflammation is inevitable, don’t stress them further unnecessarily.
Also, very often people are freaking out in their first 1-6 months time(as you can see most of the questions here are people who has just started). Understandably of course we have many worries at first.
So my advise to that is the fact that our body really needs time. And by needs time I don’t mean a couple of weeks or months. It needs time in the scale of years.
What make people think that after years of bad eating and stress that we have subjected our bodies to(and the body has been dealing with these negative impact so diligently to keep us alive). Now suddenly when we change our diet for barely a few months, we will miraculously be healed from all these years of bad eating so quickly?
I get your point and I have that thought in the back of my mind as well. When I started this it was in June last year so I’m about 9-10 months in I’m down 150lbs which is a godsend I just find it odd how I continue to increase the regimen with cleaner eating exercise and fasting and I’m not getting quite near the same results as when I first started that I was still having dairy diet sodas and “sugar free drinks”
When our body heals, it deals with various issues in their respective “priority level”. In another word, how urgent the matter is. The body will deal with the most urgent first and then later move down the list.
At the beginning your weight lost is very significant and swift most likely due to the fact that your body deem the “energy toxicity” as the most urgent one. And it got rid of a lot of the excess fat especially those in your vital organ(that hates fat) such as the liver. Our fat stores lots of toxin just in case you are wondering what’s so bad about it(among out negative impact of course).
Then as it got rid of the most “toxic” part of the body it will start to deal with other issues. Maybe it is dumping oxalate, maybe it is cleaning out your gut and changing its microbiome, maybe it is healing the brain, maybe it is healing the gut lining, maybe it is healing and rebalancing your hormone, maybe the myelin, and the list can go on for 3 pages.
So don’t worry. I think you are already on an excellent track with great progress and just keep at it to see how it goes.
If you really want further weight lost advice, I will give you one:
Decrease your protein to fat ratio. Meaning eat lesser protein and up the fat intake. It will pushes you into a deeper ketosis without the stress responses of simply fasting.
So today for lunch I ate like a lb of pork belly fried with the meat and the fat I got to the point where if I ingested anymore fat I was gonna puke. Well that may be exaggerative but my body definitely said stop eating fat. Is there any test or doctor I can follow up with to see if there is some sort of medical hang up?
Fantastic! I can see now why the stall has you frustrated. Lookup some videos on YouTube by searching ‘Carnivore weight loss stall” and you’ll find a ton of videos.
I’ll take a look and see if I can find something I feel like I’ve cut out all the negative impacts well except for pork now I guess but I’ve even fasted for 5 days 3 consecutive weeks
That's very strange. Doesn't sound like you're overeating at all. I've heard some people say that fasting can help break a plateau. Maybe try a 2-3 day water fast?
So a 15 day fast?
I would probably start exercising less. It could just be too much stress right now and your body is trying to protect itself. Unless you have a thyroid issue or something.
It’s controversial but between the 3 subs on carnivore there are enough people that report spikes in BS from too much protein. Problem is that it depends on your level of insulin resistance. My BS sits at 120-140 without strict carnivore. When I get strict, I can get it to 80 and then the scale starts really moving down. However too much protein makes it jump up.
maybe, there are three macros - carbs, protein, fat. Fat causes the lowest release of insulin. Read Jason Fung. His books changed my life. When insulin go down, keotones go up. All things you can test yourself.
It I’ve had mine as low as 65 some days and I don’t loose not even a half pound so how does one determine where the body needs it’s glucose to be to loose weight? No offense to you you are offering advice and I appreciate it but the BG thing sounds gimmicky to me.. I know insulin is responsible for wanting to store fat and energy but… something doesn’t add up
Yeah, calories don’t matter on this diet, so I’m curious what’s going on as well. You may be losing fat and replacing it with muscle or with bone density, so your body composition could be improving while your weight is staying the same. How long have you been at the plateau? Also, I find that when I add liver to my beef I end up feeling satiated faster, so I recommend it. I’d be curious to hear an update from you in a couple weeks.
I’m a handyman so I’m constantly walking lifting squatting climbing crouching crawling etc etc. I have an 87 oz tank of water that I fill atleast once if not twice a day. I fasted 3 consecutive 5 day fasts and I’m just not seeing any difference =\
I had 4 days where I was driving half way across country and back so lazy me had full meals from fast food joints sans the soda when I got back home I started eating back normal again but just maintaining
The body acclimated and your daily calories could either be too high or too low. Maybe change portion sizes or go keto for a bit and switch back. Change your workouts to either heavier weights or lower cardio.
Change is good.
Make sure you’re getting enough sleep
You also need to weigh out your food and track it. Pork and beef fat have a lot of calories. Your body doesn’t want to lose weight. We aren’t built that way through evolution. Try and app like Layne Norton’s Carbon. It will be enlightening
Have often do you use the rest room? You're probably full of poop since you don't move that much and are just eating meat. If I were you I would just stick to beef, lamb, Veal, Bison, Egg Yolks, and Organ meats all cooked in Beef Tallow. I would lay off the pork since pork can be inflammatory to some. What are you drinking btw and how much?
I had quite quite a movement the other day painless might I add so I don’t think that may be an issue but I do drink a gallon to a gallon a half of water everyday I’ve got the buzio 87 oz insulated sealed bottle that keeps stuff cold for 48hrs and hot for 24 hrs and I drink 1-2 a day depending on how active I am
Poly Unsaturated Fatty Acid — some people in this community think it is bad to eat this kind of fat, but I’m not sure why. In fact all animal fats will come as a mix of saturated, mono unsaturated, and poly unsaturated.
Do you keep to a consistent pattern? If you are too strict about fasting for X amount of hours every day, and you eat at X time every day, then your body becomes accustomed to it and will start triggering hormones at certain times anticipating what you’re doing. Not sure if this applies to you, but if it does, just change your routine. Fast at different times, so take a day or two and only fast for 8 hours. Eat twice a day once in a while instead of only once. Do a yoga class instead of lifting, go for a walk instead of the gym. Basically, don’t be too predictable.
2 months is not enough time. Many people first start this diet and gain weight for 6 months before their body starts to loose its excess fat (Kelly Hogan, for example). This is not a bad thing, your body is adapting and taking in the nutrients it has been missing out on for so long.
Chris, weight loss is not linear. This is still your first year on the diet. Give it some time. Pay less attention to the scale and more attention to how you feel.
Dr. Eric Berg and Dr. Sten Ekberg have some great videos on breaking plateaus. Dr. Anthony Chaffe (Plant Free MD) may have some stuff too. You can find their content on YouTube.
Hey bud, consider that your total daily energy expenditure gradually decrease as you lose weight and will leave you needing to periodically make adjustments.
Basically you will need less calories day to day the slimmer you get. Increasing exercise is a great way to offset this (walking is awesome for me. I have lost SO much weight adding 2 to 3 miles per day to my diet), but over time you'll want to take a look at how many calories you're consuming each day, and make sure its less than you're burning.
Hope this helps!
I appreciate that it’s just confusing hearing some folks say calories don’t matter then others say it does including healthcare professionals Dr Fung for example say they don’t matter because the less calories you eat your body gradually lowers your metabolic rate and does not allow your body to burn more energy than you are consuming
Yeah, so our bodies are super adaptive. I've had to take breaks and come up to maintenance calories for a few weeks here and there so that the metabolism "resets" if you will.
Do you spend less money when you know there's a huge check about to deposit? No, you are more liberal with spending.
Same with our bodies. If my body thinks a huge meal is coming soon it won't start shutting down processes for conservation. Only after it realizes I've been starving it for a few months does it start to adjust.
There are several caveats but at the end of the day, it all comes down to math. Jeff cavalier from athlean x is a fantastic resource
You can’t walk too much. Just keep your body moving at low intensity.
What are you eating and how much? What exercise are you doing and how often?
Back to eating beef and pork. A meal is normally like pork belly and some cut of steak or hamburger I’m doing anaerobic for 2 days split between arms and legs 2 weight lifting days between arms and legs and 1 day where I focus on back
You might need more rest days. Overtraining can lead to constant inflammation and water retention. You said originally that you're stuck at 400-405. What is that measurement? Are you eating any dairy. Just beef and pork? Anything else?
Beef and pork sometimes eggs but it’s been a while I don’t feel like making them anymore.
If you meant you're stuck at 400-405 pounds, then something else is going on. You should be dropping weight on beef, pork, and eggs, unless you're grossly overeating, which is unlikely if that's all you're eating.
Overeating I feel like I do but when I hear people say their portions and quantities I don’t feel like I am… for example I eat a lb maybe a lb and a half of food in a sitting. But to satiety I don’t force myself to eat more. And I get to the point where I’m repulsed by food and don’t want anymore
Yes, like u/c0mp0stable said. You might be having issue with inflammation. Try to rest for a period of time with very light exercise. Your body might be going through a lot of changes and healing. So inflammation is inevitable, don’t stress them further unnecessarily. Also, very often people are freaking out in their first 1-6 months time(as you can see most of the questions here are people who has just started). Understandably of course we have many worries at first. So my advise to that is the fact that our body really needs time. And by needs time I don’t mean a couple of weeks or months. It needs time in the scale of years. What make people think that after years of bad eating and stress that we have subjected our bodies to(and the body has been dealing with these negative impact so diligently to keep us alive). Now suddenly when we change our diet for barely a few months, we will miraculously be healed from all these years of bad eating so quickly?
I get your point and I have that thought in the back of my mind as well. When I started this it was in June last year so I’m about 9-10 months in I’m down 150lbs which is a godsend I just find it odd how I continue to increase the regimen with cleaner eating exercise and fasting and I’m not getting quite near the same results as when I first started that I was still having dairy diet sodas and “sugar free drinks”
When our body heals, it deals with various issues in their respective “priority level”. In another word, how urgent the matter is. The body will deal with the most urgent first and then later move down the list. At the beginning your weight lost is very significant and swift most likely due to the fact that your body deem the “energy toxicity” as the most urgent one. And it got rid of a lot of the excess fat especially those in your vital organ(that hates fat) such as the liver. Our fat stores lots of toxin just in case you are wondering what’s so bad about it(among out negative impact of course). Then as it got rid of the most “toxic” part of the body it will start to deal with other issues. Maybe it is dumping oxalate, maybe it is cleaning out your gut and changing its microbiome, maybe it is healing the brain, maybe it is healing the gut lining, maybe it is healing and rebalancing your hormone, maybe the myelin, and the list can go on for 3 pages. So don’t worry. I think you are already on an excellent track with great progress and just keep at it to see how it goes. If you really want further weight lost advice, I will give you one: Decrease your protein to fat ratio. Meaning eat lesser protein and up the fat intake. It will pushes you into a deeper ketosis without the stress responses of simply fasting.
So today for lunch I ate like a lb of pork belly fried with the meat and the fat I got to the point where if I ingested anymore fat I was gonna puke. Well that may be exaggerative but my body definitely said stop eating fat. Is there any test or doctor I can follow up with to see if there is some sort of medical hang up?
Fantastic! I can see now why the stall has you frustrated. Lookup some videos on YouTube by searching ‘Carnivore weight loss stall” and you’ll find a ton of videos.
I’ll take a look and see if I can find something I feel like I’ve cut out all the negative impacts well except for pork now I guess but I’ve even fasted for 5 days 3 consecutive weeks
That's very strange. Doesn't sound like you're overeating at all. I've heard some people say that fasting can help break a plateau. Maybe try a 2-3 day water fast?
Just two weeks ago a I did 3 consecutive 5 day water fasts coffee in the morning and nothing for the rest of the day
So a 15 day fast? I would probably start exercising less. It could just be too much stress right now and your body is trying to protect itself. Unless you have a thyroid issue or something.
Not quite a 15 day I didn’t eat for 5 days ate for 2 then restarted for three weeks
Can you check your blood sugar with a meter? Too much protein keeps my BS high and stops weight loss for me.
I did not know this! Have you discovered what bg readings tend to be too high? (Also stuck on a plateau).
It’s controversial but between the 3 subs on carnivore there are enough people that report spikes in BS from too much protein. Problem is that it depends on your level of insulin resistance. My BS sits at 120-140 without strict carnivore. When I get strict, I can get it to 80 and then the scale starts really moving down. However too much protein makes it jump up.
So that’s why “eat fat to lose fat”?
maybe, there are three macros - carbs, protein, fat. Fat causes the lowest release of insulin. Read Jason Fung. His books changed my life. When insulin go down, keotones go up. All things you can test yourself.
Thank you. I’ve seen about 20 of his videos, but perhaps reading the books will give me more comprehensive understanding.
they r fast reads, all say similar things imo
BG 80 checked 1 minute ago
nice! 80 is where mine has to be to lose weight
It I’ve had mine as low as 65 some days and I don’t loose not even a half pound so how does one determine where the body needs it’s glucose to be to loose weight? No offense to you you are offering advice and I appreciate it but the BG thing sounds gimmicky to me.. I know insulin is responsible for wanting to store fat and energy but… something doesn’t add up
This is the only way I lose weight…fast all day, get bs super low, eat strict carnivore and eat all my calories at one time. omad Read Jason Fung.
I’ve been following him thanks to him I’ve done 3 5 day fast so far but still in the same area as far as weight goes
what does same are mean?
Sorry 400-405lbs *same area
I thought calories don’t matter in this diet?
Yeah, calories don’t matter on this diet, so I’m curious what’s going on as well. You may be losing fat and replacing it with muscle or with bone density, so your body composition could be improving while your weight is staying the same. How long have you been at the plateau? Also, I find that when I add liver to my beef I end up feeling satiated faster, so I recommend it. I’d be curious to hear an update from you in a couple weeks.
I’ll try it and see I’ll try grinding some liver into my burgers
I’ve been on this plateau for like a month and a half
It seems impossible to stay that size on carnivore. You burn a lot of calories just existing. You must be taking in calories elsewhere, surely?
Back story I’ve come down from 540 lbs
Not that I can think of the most I eat is Twice a day but that’s not always and when I do eat it’s just meat and water
Keep it up man. The plateau will pass. I'd try to walk every day and drink as much water as possible.
I’m a handyman so I’m constantly walking lifting squatting climbing crouching crawling etc etc. I have an 87 oz tank of water that I fill atleast once if not twice a day. I fasted 3 consecutive 5 day fasts and I’m just not seeing any difference =\
I had 4 days where I was driving half way across country and back so lazy me had full meals from fast food joints sans the soda when I got back home I started eating back normal again but just maintaining
How long ago were these cheat days?
Like 2 weeks ago
The body acclimated and your daily calories could either be too high or too low. Maybe change portion sizes or go keto for a bit and switch back. Change your workouts to either heavier weights or lower cardio. Change is good. Make sure you’re getting enough sleep
You also need to weigh out your food and track it. Pork and beef fat have a lot of calories. Your body doesn’t want to lose weight. We aren’t built that way through evolution. Try and app like Layne Norton’s Carbon. It will be enlightening
Have a cheat day, then hop back on.
Have often do you use the rest room? You're probably full of poop since you don't move that much and are just eating meat. If I were you I would just stick to beef, lamb, Veal, Bison, Egg Yolks, and Organ meats all cooked in Beef Tallow. I would lay off the pork since pork can be inflammatory to some. What are you drinking btw and how much?
I had quite quite a movement the other day painless might I add so I don’t think that may be an issue but I do drink a gallon to a gallon a half of water everyday I’ve got the buzio 87 oz insulated sealed bottle that keeps stuff cold for 48hrs and hot for 24 hrs and I drink 1-2 a day depending on how active I am
Then the only thing I can think of is the pork man, so just eat the stuff I mentioned.
I’ll give it a try man I appreciate the input
pork = PUFA
PUFA?
Poly Unsaturated Fatty Acid — some people in this community think it is bad to eat this kind of fat, but I’m not sure why. In fact all animal fats will come as a mix of saturated, mono unsaturated, and poly unsaturated.
What’s your calorie intake
A lb to a lb and a half of beef so I’d have to say 2500-3500 daily
Do you keep to a consistent pattern? If you are too strict about fasting for X amount of hours every day, and you eat at X time every day, then your body becomes accustomed to it and will start triggering hormones at certain times anticipating what you’re doing. Not sure if this applies to you, but if it does, just change your routine. Fast at different times, so take a day or two and only fast for 8 hours. Eat twice a day once in a while instead of only once. Do a yoga class instead of lifting, go for a walk instead of the gym. Basically, don’t be too predictable.
I get what you are saying… but fuck you body I’m doing right by you now -.-‘ just comply
2 months is not enough time. Many people first start this diet and gain weight for 6 months before their body starts to loose its excess fat (Kelly Hogan, for example). This is not a bad thing, your body is adapting and taking in the nutrients it has been missing out on for so long.
Phinx you misunderstand I have been plateauing for teo months I’ve been on the diet for 9 I’ve lost 140 lbs I just can’t seem to break that 3 mark
Chris, weight loss is not linear. This is still your first year on the diet. Give it some time. Pay less attention to the scale and more attention to how you feel.
Dr. Eric Berg and Dr. Sten Ekberg have some great videos on breaking plateaus. Dr. Anthony Chaffe (Plant Free MD) may have some stuff too. You can find their content on YouTube.
I listen to eckberg berry and Fung I’ll have to check out Erik and Chaffe thanks
Hey bud, consider that your total daily energy expenditure gradually decrease as you lose weight and will leave you needing to periodically make adjustments. Basically you will need less calories day to day the slimmer you get. Increasing exercise is a great way to offset this (walking is awesome for me. I have lost SO much weight adding 2 to 3 miles per day to my diet), but over time you'll want to take a look at how many calories you're consuming each day, and make sure its less than you're burning. Hope this helps!
I appreciate that it’s just confusing hearing some folks say calories don’t matter then others say it does including healthcare professionals Dr Fung for example say they don’t matter because the less calories you eat your body gradually lowers your metabolic rate and does not allow your body to burn more energy than you are consuming
Yeah, so our bodies are super adaptive. I've had to take breaks and come up to maintenance calories for a few weeks here and there so that the metabolism "resets" if you will. Do you spend less money when you know there's a huge check about to deposit? No, you are more liberal with spending. Same with our bodies. If my body thinks a huge meal is coming soon it won't start shutting down processes for conservation. Only after it realizes I've been starving it for a few months does it start to adjust. There are several caveats but at the end of the day, it all comes down to math. Jeff cavalier from athlean x is a fantastic resource