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“Educators who violate this law could face a third-degree felony.”


There are so many reasons to not be a teacher it's insane there are any. You could 1) get shot and killed by insane people and watch kids die 2) get shot and killed by your own students 3) assaulted by irate parents because you said gay people exist 4) emotionally and physically abused by students with no recourse 5) abandoned by your leadership and school board 6) be paid a whopping $30k a year for the trouble 6) have to use that $30k to supply your own classroom 7) and apparently be arrested and charged a felon for having the wrong books.


Ya that's the point. Poor people stay dumb and poor. Rich private school kids get opportunity and more money.


>I don’t want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers -John D Rockefeller. 1902


"I don't have an educated populace, I want oxen." ~Dictator




Don't forget the part about poor people voting for the rich people candidates and party..


Don’t forget the part about systemic lack of access to education leading those people to vote for the party that is promoting said lack of education. Almost like that party is doing it on purpose…


and gerrymandering, and lack of access to polls, and


List goes on and on. Leaving lead in water pipes is just an added plus tho.


Dumb people are easier to make angry. It is easier to control people who are angry. People who are angry will just follow those who say the things they want to hear. Then the leader can just let the angry hoard off their leash against their enemies. A tale as old as time.


Instead of religion being the opiate of the masses, now it’s religion And Faux News


Not almost like. It's by design.






Gerrymandering is bad but we also have 80 million people at least who support this shit


Which is still less than 25% of the US and yet somehow politically sqaures up to the 75%. Yes, a lot of people believe in it, but the only reason they have power is because of gerrymandering


Remember, the bigger plan... * Lower the quality of public education, * drive out good teachers (burnout, threat of violence/death to them/kids, charging them with made up crimes) * complain that there are no teachers and education is poor quality, * private/charter school and vouchers, * make most of those charter schools too expensive even with vouchers, * introduce more and more religious charter/voucher schools that subsidize cost and are the only affordable/free option, * force many who can't find a good charter option to homeschool, * take away access to abortion and contraception so women have more babies that they need to educate, * more women don't go back to work after child birth because they can't afford nanny/school, * trap more women back in the home forever.


And once usa controls its own citizens, they will go full Russian this time and try to annex Canada or Mexico.


Bingo! This is why I'm ready for this place to fuckin burn, it's out of control at this point and only through the ashes is this gonna change.


The "it could never happen here" people need to read/watch the "Handmaid's Tale" and "The Plot against America" and realize how slowly and quietly these things normalize, bit by bit by bit and before you know it, it's too late to act.


"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty. "Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have. "But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait. "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. "And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way. ​ Copyright notice: Excerpt from pages 166-73 of They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 by Milton Mayer


Thanks for posting this. I wish everyone here in America could read this and realize what's going on. But sadly most have already been conditioned and brain washed. One day after they helped the wrong people take over and overthrow democracy those same people will turn on them.


TLDR: act now, hindsight is 20/20


Remember, the bigger plan... * Lower the quality of public education, * drive out good teachers, * complain that there are no teachers and education is poor quality, * privatize/charter school vouchers, Iowa is right here now and the rest of it just scares and infuriates me as a father.


When I was young, say like 10-11, my conspiracy theorist dad went on long tangents to me about how the government doesn't want educated people, but rather obedient workers who are just smart enough to do their job without questioning things. He said the word "dumbasses" was based on the word "dumb masses". For the longest time I thought he was crazy but I'm starting to realize that however outre some of his ideas were, he was right about public schools being meant to produce worker bees. The irony is that he's a crazy Trump supporter...


Exactly. Segregate the population based on early education opportunities. The elites fortify their positions and make sure to limit the ability of people with different backgrounds to clime the hierarchy of society.


And a steady stream of easily manipulated wage slaves.


"But there's a tax deduction for spending your own money on supplies, so that makes up for it right?" $300 off the money you spend, and you probably aren't qualifying for enough deductions to not just use the standard deduction.


I mean it’s one pencil, Michael. How much could it cost? Ten dollars? But seriously, wife is a teacher. The $300 deduction is hilarious. Should be more like $3000 with all she spends on classroom stuff. Oh, and food for kids that don’t get breakfast or lunch. And warm clothes for kids that don’t have them.


It's wild US teachers don't flee to better countries. Shit my school district was having some issues finding teachers recently, we'll take em.


Fleeing to other countries is really expensive.


Teachers can make 100k in Canada after a few years if you have a couple of relevant degrees. They're looking for teachers in my province. Now.... whether a teacher from Florida would be qualified is another story.


10 years I think most places, but yeah.


Teacher pay in the US varies wildly by state and by district. My wife is a teacher in Upstate NY and gets around $75k, while teachers in the Bible Belt are lucky to make $40k. After a decade in one district, my wife was shopping around different districts, and one district offered her a position with a starting pay of $40k. She really wanted to work for that district, as it was where she went to school, but that amount of money was absolutely insulting with her education and experience. The Northeast generally pays teacher better, with the lowest pay coming from the south.


And "coincidentally" the northeast has much higher quality education than the south.... I guess Florida's strategy of taking money away from the schools that are struggling the most isn't very effective...


Wait till they learn about US teachers teaching their students that Canada lost the War of 1812


They can in the US too. At least in Massachusetts


My MA town has an average teacher salary of $96,000. You get what you pay for!!


American who moved to Canada here, unfortunately it’s a lot harder to do than you might think. You can’t really just show up and immigrate, generally you need a reason. Most people get their foot in the door through Canadian education (like me) or already having a job offer in Canada. It’s very hard to get a job offer internationally since most places would understandably prefer domestic staff. Some professions in some countries can get in relatively easily (few countries would turn away someone with their MD) but that doesn’t apply to many people. Even if you have all your ducks in a row, it’s extremely expensive, time-consuming, and stressful. Most Americans can’t even afford to move to another state


This. If I liquidated everything I own, assuming I could get fair market price on all of it, I could maybe afford to immigrate to a better country in Europe or Canada. But I'd be starting fresh with nothing in a foreign country. That not an acceptable position to be in as I close in on middle age with a child and wife to support. Even leaving the state I was born in is challenging. Cost of property and living is very low where I live. That's good for remote work if you find it, but wanting to leave? Forget it. I could sell my house for market value here and it would barely give me enough for a down payment on a smaller house in any of the states I'd want to live in.


> But I'd be starting fresh with nothing in a foreign country. Starting fresh also means _no credit_. Even moving from Canada to the US, and using the same bank, your credit is non-existent. Be prepared to buy used cars with cash and good luck getting approval on a rental.


We don't really do credit in Europe. At least not in Italy, you just get loans proportional to your income as long as you have a job contract.


mostly they just burn out and leave teaching after 2-5 years


I left teaching because of annoying politics, shitty parents, and the $13 an hour I was making. No thank you.


$13/hr? I make $15.50/hr dumping trash for a military hotel, then spending the other seven hours walking around the property picking up litter and cigarette butts. I would be power washing, too, if they ever fixed my equipment, but I'm only as useful as the equipment they give me, which isn't a whole hell of a lot. Edit: Sorry, in my disgust, I forgot my point, which is that $13/hr for a job that requires *degrees* is *insulting*. Teachers deserve so much better.


Social workers make about the same or less as teachers. There's a reason why child services are so shit. Everyone is burnt out or over worked. Every time someone fucks up the budget gets cut even more and makes it worse for those who remain.


yeah thats completely insane pay


Teachers don't make enough money to move to another country to make more money.


Most districts are short on teachers nowadays. Nobody wants to do it. I'm currently an elementary teacher in FL myself, and schools are pretty much begging people to sign on. Our librarian is pissed at DeSantis because of this new policy. She had to clear her entire schedule so she could manually read each and every book in the library to approve on an individual basis.


Similar thing happening in Virginia but somehow we're flying under the radar while you guys are all over the news. Just sat through a 2 hour training on Sexually Explicit Content....I'm a math teacher.


Maybe they're thinking of [those sexy plane curves](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayley%27s_sextic )? 👀


I wrote lots of math equations with 69s in them just for good measure


A lot of them do. Teaching English abroad is a popular choice for a lot of ppl after college.


Many teachers in the US would not qualify to be teachers in other countries (like Canada) due to the differences in requirements.


It’s a lot easier to get a job at Starbucks or Uber than flee to another country


I keep telling my wife New Zealand is looking for teachers.


NZ is looking for everything because they keep hemorrhaging skilled workers to Australia or better paying countries.


That country has really strict immigration laws.


Thank you, TimmyNimmel for the reminder for all of us to go hug a teacher and ask them how they’re doing.


A third fucking degree felony 10 fucking YEARS in prison, Stripped of your job, your respect, your right to vote, everything you sacrificed and worked for... Fucking shit man, a third fucking degree felony For an "unapproved" BOOK This fucking shit HAS to reach a breaking point where sane people stop letting these people dictate their lives because THEY read and believe in a book full of MURDER, RAPE, GENOCIDE, RACISM, MISOGNY, HATRED and DEATH called the BIBLE


As someone who just had their first kid in a state that isn't Florida, I appreciate an entire state kneecapping the future of it's children in order to help my kids get ahead a little easier. I mean. It's super bad for the people of Florida. But they want this for some reason so not my problem lol.


Given how many electoral votes FL has, it's everyone's problem in a couple years time.


If you were from a different country or continent, I see your point. But states aren't all that insulated from each other. If they get away with this in Florida, it's going to be a model that they will try to implement in every state possible. As they say "Greed finds a way".


It is very much yours and everyones problem. In 10 or so years you will have a generation of even deeper indoctrinated floridians (and what ever other states joins the book burners by then) voting and and making decisions.


"One section of the training also tells staffers that instructional material should “not contain any matter reflecting unfairly upon persons because of their race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, religion, disability, socioeconomic status or occupation.” And exactly how in the hell do they expect the children to learn lessons without being able to discuss problems, obstacles, and/or challenges? There are no trophies just for participating in life you know.


Yeah it’s like people don’t understand that the existence of a book, or statement, or whatever doesn’t mean you have to agree with it. Like in High School lit classes we didn’t just read the books like the gospel, we discussed, critiqued, and framed them in modern eyes. People had big disagreements in class about them, and that opened my eyes and other students’ eyes to the complexities of things.


But that encourages critical thinking, Florida does not like people to learn that.


It's not just Florida. Republicans have been systematically attacking public education in this country for decades.


I agree. Also...kinda funny that the party of small government is removing all school books until someone appointed and trained by the government decides what their kids can and cannot read and learn about in school.


Not funny, it’s the point. Rules for thee, not for me, and every accusation is a confession


A big part of why a lot of kids hate history is because it's watered down to memorizing famous people and dates. I never realized that until I was done with school, and now I love history, because there are some seriously interesting situations and dilemmas that are not only fascinating on their own, but also in how they're reflected in the modern world.


Knowing history helps to contextualize so much of what's happening today. Not knowing history means that we just end up doing the same dumb shit someone else did 300 years ago, and expect a different result. This anti-intellectual, anti-learning, anti-truth timeline is so boring.


The mark of an educated man is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. These changes are designed to prevent children from developing this ability. They don't want you to think for yourself, they want you to do what you're told.


This isn't even about disagreeable books, they would have to get American history books that cut out a good chunk of American history.


You can't teach any of it. There has been no time in US history without some type of conflict.


Because if you start to question one book and put it in context, you'll probably do the same for another book, the one this kind of people usually really enjoy.


Good for you but disagreeing isn't an option in 2023.


I disagree


Not allowed


Straight to jail.


They don’t want children to learn anything other than basic math and the Bible. Critical thinking leads to question ping authority.


The Bible absolutely falls under this ban though. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.


Surely you were not expecting good faith?


But not in *religious school* which is the real end goal here. Make no mistake, this is a concerted effort to destroy public education to entrust the education of America’s youth to private religious zealots


This has nothing to do with anything other than right wing media fear mongering about schools teaching kids about lgbtq and crt and trying to turn their children Trans and woke. The ignorant viewers and parents eat it up. The politicians promote it to get their votes. These extreme right wing media executives and politicians should be dropped off a boat in the middle of the pacific. They know exactly what they're doing and laughing all the way to the bank


Nope. The only thing they want the children to learn is how to be good Republicans. Which is to say put faith above all else, accept only what is spoon fed to you buy your betters, and learn only what is required to produce taxable income for the state.


Really though, why does Ping get to be in charge? Its a fair question.


But if we let people read non government sanctioned propa... literature, they might have deviant thoughts, and to contain that, they'll be dragged into the street and shot in the head by the Gestapo. In the name of freedom.


The Bible would be banned under that law. I wonder if private schools have the same problem.


Yeah - the Bible is HARSH on the Pharisees. That clearly reflects poorly on a group based on race/creed/origin lol.


Yeah, umm, good faith is not intended.


That's the point. They want children not to learn. They want a generation of easily manipulated people willing to work mindlessly their entire lives for poverty wages because they can't imagine better possibilities.


Even if you're a pure capitalist who only cares about the people at the top of the economic chain, it's such a short-sighted approach. Even Henry Ford realized that you need to pay workers a living wage if you want to have people who are able to buy your products.


Henry Ford thought beyond the next quarter. Such is no longer in fashion.


Ah, but you see, Henry Ford *sold* people things. Modern Bankers only *lend* them which is a far more profitable business model. Besides, Henry Ford thought people *have rights* so he was clearly a Communist /s


When the literal Nazi sympathizer is more enlightened than the GOP, you have a good idea how terrible they've become.


Given that restriction a legitimate title for an article would be: "Florida Bans Bible from Schools" -- Because it definitely reflects unfairly upon lots and lots of different people.


The teachers - right up to graduation level classes - should just hand out crayons and tell the kids to draw whatever they like. If they're worried about not being able to graduate or go to college, they need to tell their parents to complain to their political representatives about this fascist law. "Trained media representative" - fucking ROFL. Trained by who? Where is this training being carried out? Who developed the training courses? Is there an exam - who is marking the exams? How long does the training take? What are the qualifications of these 'representatives'? Degree level, obviously. No? Oh, well, they should be. How much will they be paid? HOW MANY OF THEM ARE THERE? There will need to be thousands if they are going to read all the books in the libraries.


Florida is trying to dismantle its public education system. Edit: To everyone commenting "The Florida education system is already bad," great, 10 other people have already told me.


Florida is step one in the removal of public schooling as we knew it for the entire country.


Another vestige of Betsey Devos and her longtime agenda


This has been around long before it was her agenda, but yeah, she definitely adds fuel to the fire.


> The text of the law also defines what is considered harmful to minors: > (a) Any picture, photograph, drawing, sculpture, motion picture film, videocassette, or similar visual representation or image of a person or portion of the human body which depicts nudity or sexual conduct, sexual excitement, sexual battery, bestiality, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors; or Well, they better take down pictures of Christ on the cross - "sadomasochistic abuse" > (b) Any book, pamphlet, magazine, printed matter however reproduced, or sound recording that contains any matter defined in s. 847.001, explicit and detailed verbal descriptions or narrative accounts of sexual excitement, or sexual conduct and that is harmful to minors. And throw out the Old Testament too, there's a lot of "narrative accounts of sexual excitement, or sexual conduct".


They'll just says it's not harmful to minors because it's the bible.


I’m a Floridian, and I know people who legit believe we should abolish public education.


Do they ever tell you what they expect to replace it with? Your parents homeschool you, or what, you just don't get an education?


The only thing mah kids need is GAWD!!!!111 They want to live in mad max but be the people begging for water from imorten Joe.


That is literally the goal. Make the public education terrible, tell people "see public school is bad, support my private school voucher program", suddenly all of your private schools (which are mostly religious and teach mandatory religion classes) are the only viable option for a parent. This is to allow them to control the learning and force religion on millions of children.


And make a nice profit out of it. Imagine the way our healthcare works but applied to schooling and education.


This isn’t trying. It is dismantling.


The state govt is trying to dismantle all state public services. It's pretty fucking bad here


I am really unclear on how this law hasn't been struck down based on first amendment rights.


>I am really unclear on how this law hasn't been struck down based on first amendment rights. A teacher in Manatee County is suing the governor for exactly this reason, but it's a slow, slow process. https://www.yahoo.com/news/im-florida-teacher-whos-forced-203755633.html


Plus the tax payers foot the bill


Plus since Ron Desantis is such a huge sack of shit they need to pay someone to drag him around everywhere and pay someone else to follow behind and mop up the skid marks


Court cases can take months if youre lucky, years if the fascists want to draw it out (hint: they will). Its highly unlikely this law will be struck down before DeSantis leaves office in 2027 and even then its likely another GQP fascist will take up the mantle and continue enacting these bad-faith laws that are just going to tie up the courts for a few years before getting struck down again and again. The goal isn't to make a constitutional law, the goal is to generate soundbites and to harass the "libruls".


You're assuming he doesn't run for President in 2024. There's a good chance he does.


Which is a horrifying thought - someone as vile and totalitarian as Trump, but competent and capable of carrying out his plans.


The worst part is that DeSantis has a much better chance in 2024 than Trump, assuming Trump doesn’t run as an independent if he loses the primary. It will be much more difficult for Biden to be re-elected if DeSantis is the nominee, and if Biden is, for any reason, unable to run in 2024, DeSantis has a *very high chance* of being elected. Edit for clarification : Trump is leading in primary polls and will almost certainly be the GOP nominee if he runs. My first sentence is referring to the general election.


Actually polls are showing Trump ahead in any hypothetical nomination right now. Again, for now anyway. Neither is a good choice.


For as dull and opaque the silver lining may be, to see the party fracture between two extremist aspirant dictators will hopefully serve to the other party’s benefit. It’s still just fucking awful though.


Struck down by what? The conservative supreme court? I'm not sure if there's anyone who can actually stop him from outlawing as many books as he wants


Yeah exactly what world do people live in that they think the courts will help anyone?


We can't have *children* reading *books* can we? What are you, some kind of communist?


They might get *ideas* and we don't want any of that, do we?


Plus, they _share_ them. SOCIALISTS!


Greetings citizen! Ready to receive seditious materials.


[I understood that reference!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Ce4NEvuhI)


DeSantis will be running for president, probably in 2024. He wants to do this nationally.


Except he will want one book in every school. The Bible.


Ironic because the bible is one book absolutely not suited for children, it contains stories of just about every heinous act you can think of; murder, rape, beastiality, slavery, execution, genocide, incest, human sacrifice ect.


And very anti fig tree.


God hates figs!


Fig enabler.


Remind me, were their cocks like horses' and jizzed as much as donkeys, or was it the other way around?


Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."


Ah, yes, donkey cocks and horse jizz, got it. Thank you.


Truly a size queen of Biblical proportions.


Also fucked up revenge stories - IIRC some kids took the piss out of Elisha being bald, so he cursed them and they were eaten by bears as punishment.


I don't get why teachers aren't making hay of this now and removing the bible claiming Ron Desantis banned it under his new laws


If he becomes president he won’t be nearly as powerful as he is as governor because he won’t have supermajorities in the House and Senate.


Absolutely no fucking way that ever happens in blue states.


> The state statute requires media centers to be free from the following materials: Pornography – defined in the Merriam Webster dictionary as “the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.” Lol no one tell them that middle school students have easy access to watch porn on their phones. Banning *The Giver* will definitely solve everything.


Do people actually still believe that republicans are being genuine in any of the things they do? You know this is a ploy to privatize schooling and force Christianity onto everyone. They don’t give a fuck what kids do inside those schools once their parents are paying tuition.


It’s just heartbreaking. What children need is the opportunity to learn from the world, and books provide a powerful way to do that. I was always checking out books from my library and some definitely weren’t normal kids books. I read historical world war 2 books with a ton of violence in them, and some romance books which were somewhat steamy. This was so important to me growing up because it gave me an outlet for understanding myself as I was changing. Today, I always wish I had read more books with queer representation. I remember seeing Willow being lesbian in Buffy and other queer representation in media after I finished public school, and it was only then that I reflected on the fact that I wasn’t straight. I had big crushes on my guy friends in high school that I was ashamed of and repressed. Not learning about queer people in public school didn’t stop me from being queer, it just prolonged the time I kept lying to myself and had unhappy relationships because I didn’t believe it was ok to not be straight, at my core. You don’t stop ideologies from banning books for kids, you just make their education and growing up process harder and more unpleasant. You delay them growing into their true selves. All because you believe that you can train people to be straight or whatever.


The entire point is to create an elite. Send all the others to a school that is not allowed to teach. Send yours to a good private school. The next generation will see those elites goose stepping in "parades". For once I'm glad I'm old. I don't want to be here when our great country turns into a modern day WWI Germany.


This looks like a job for LeVar Burton!


On his new program, "The Reading Neutral Grey Sphere".


I'd bet money that this is actually malicious compliance... the librarians removing all books from their shelves as a protest of how fucking braindead that directive was. Tell me again which party us for small government?


They seem to be saying all books in a school's library must be from a preapproved list of materials, or be vetted by a DOE employee with some training certificate, and teachers not following this law will be felons. Covering your ass isn't malicious compliance. To me, it looks like Florida's GOP is trying to dismantle its public school system by attacking educators. First the "don't say gay" bill restricted educators' first ammendment rights, and now they're doing it again. Being a public school teacher in Florida is becoming untenable.


It's crazy how many working families in Florida are begging their state government to end free school for their kids. At least, that's how they keep voting and what they're eventually going to end up with.


Well I for one hope they cancel kindergarten. I hear they teach all kinds of kooky left wing concepts like “sharing is caring” and “how to wait for your turn without throwing a tantrum”. We beat the socialists and now they’re trying to indoctrinate the children with their liberal nonsense? Not on my watch.


Then those same idiots will cry when they no longer have a "daycare" for their kids while they work.


Sounds like someone should email whoever is most related to this in the state government for "confirmation" on what books are allowed, one at a time. If it's on the pre-approved list, email anyway, because you wouldn't want to be charged with a felony, so it's better to be sure. Plus, maybe the version in your library is of a different edition than the approved one and contains something? Oh, and the textbooks. We shouldn't mention slavery, that'd make white people look bad. We shouldn't mention the war against Britain for independence, that makes the 1700s British look tyrannical. Any science book that contains biology is probably also out, because the law says "...**or** image of a person or portion of the human body which depicts nudity **or**..." In fact, since they say "or *portion* of the human body which depicts nudity", if we take nudity in dictionary definition as "any part not covered by clothing," then any pictures of humans where skin is shown, including face or eyes, are also out. The law also covers basically any other printed medium, so pictures, posters, or pantings of people should also be taken down until approved. There is so much room to cause so much malicious compliance here. Edit: Actually, "**or** image of a person **or**" Yeah, no pictures of people at all, not even clothed. Let's interpret it that way.


As a FL elementary teacher myself, I can tell you for sure that our librarian is fuming over this policy. Most teachers don't talk politics in school, but I don't blame her for getting upset at DeSantis for this bullshit.


Please have them put a single copy of Fahrenheit 451 out.


Just fill the whole place with copies of it.


I honestly think it's what the law actually intended.


Doesn't the bill effectively ban all books that aren't part of the approved curriculum?


Children go to school to learn what the government wants them to know and control . Some kids are learning how to hate, how does the children learn right from wrong, will have to wait on politicians to give answers. Teachers can only do so much and if not they could lose jobs. Who gave this man so much power, all history old and new should not be selective.


Not Florida, but I’m a librarian and a group of people have banded together to start challenging a bunch of books in our district. They’ve turned in hundreds of reconsideration forms. We have to form committees to read the books in their entirety. None of the people have students in the district. None of them have read any of the books. The district now has to use taxpayer money to buy enough copies of these books for the committees. They’ve gotten cherry picked passages from some website and just printed out the pages. So ridiculous.


Sounds like the GOP getting exactly what they want - ignorant, uneducated voters.


Gotta replenish the stocks given how many are dying of covid


And old age.


Lets all be honest. Anyone in a position of power should be forced to go through the education and learning to be able to go "these books teach the wrong things " Only after they graduate as a teacher/therapist/educational reviewer etc etc. Politics isn't education and the lack of it proves politicians on any level wield to much power when they can do dumb shit like this and everyone is like "okey dokie"


I agree, politicians shouldn't get to decide "what's right/safe/appropriate for children" without any factual basis or studies backing up their claims. They haven't even read a single one of the books they've banned.


Anyone remember this one? It seemed appropriate to mention it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit\_451


Yeah I'm surprised your comment isn't more popular tbh. This novel was the first thought that popped into my head after reading the headline.


The people who have never read a book in their life won’t notice.


Let’s remove all science classes so kids in Florduhhhh can be on par with a rock.


That *would* be a step up, possibly several.


The New Florida/DeSantis approach to public schools: "Keep 'em dumb... keep 'em in line."




Imagine voting against your paycheck.


We're in N Carolina, but at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if this bs reaches the other states


As a North Carolinian he is 100% voting against his paycheck.


This isn’t in all counties, my district has not made us do this. I don’t know why some are doing it and some aren’t. The districts should tell DeSantis to go to hell. He’s not King, he has no jurisdiction over this. He’s a Brown Shirt Nazi.


Its fucked up that the punishment for not complying with this literal Nazi censorship is a felony, they'd probably not be actually be able to charge anyone but it's still a scary threat


You can’t discuss nazis because that is depiction of someone oppressing someone else if I read one of the definitions right.


The right wing cries out in pain as they stomp on your neck. But clearly, they're the victims, right?


The minute they charge someone they lose initiative and it allows the defendant to begin to influence the story being told.


DeFascist seems to have DAs and a group of State Troops that will follow any and all of his unethical orders, so charges could be filed and arrests made. Not so sure about obtaining convictions. Maybe next step of protest after removing all books from the school is for the school board to close the schools to perform a deep sanitation to make sure no student hid any on campus in an effort to get an education.


> DeFascist seems to have DAs and a group of State Troops that will follow any and all of his unethical orders, so charges could be filed and arrests made. Not so sure about obtaining convictions. The threat about it being a felony and being arrested is probably more just that -- a threat. They want to threaten and intimidate teachers/librarians/schools into complying and not try to push back.


They are afraid. That’s why. If one book is found to have not been properly vetted someone could be charged. But honestly I’d love to see someone with the balls to get charged and see how far it goes I would hope the backlash would be more than they can handle. It’s fucking ridiculous.


Florida is now run by the Taliban


Removing the books is the best move to protect educators and librarians. As an educator, you have to be worried that an activist parent will sneak a book in and pretend to find it. No amount of denials will erase the accusation. The parent will be on Tucker Carlson, saying everyone needs to be fired, she needs to be put on the school board. They so desperately want their narrative to be true they’ll make it happen.


> you have to be worried that an activist parent will sneak a book in and pretend to find it. No amount of denials will erase the accusation. This sounds so outlandishly farfetched. And yet so believable.


Race to the bottom.


I think they started digging through it...


So, did they pull the Bible posthaste? Because based on the guidelines, that shit won’t fly.


Seriously. The Bible is *full* of examples of racial oppression of the Israelites. Exodus 1:11 So they put slave masters over them to *oppress* them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh Numbers 10:9 When you go into battle in your own land against an enemy who is *oppressing* you, sound a blast on the trumpets. Then you will be remembered by the Lord your God and rescued from your enemies Deuteronomy 28:33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel *oppression* all your days Judges 4:3 Because he had nine hundred chariots fitted with iron and had cruelly *oppressed* the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to the Lord for help 1 Samuel 10:18 and said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I brought Israel up out of Egypt, and I delivered you from the power of Egypt and all the kingdoms that *oppressed* you.’ 2 Kings 13:4 Then Jehoahaz sought the Lord’s favor, and the Lord listened to him, for he saw how severely the king of Aram was *oppressing* Israel.


Why stop with books? I think the whole idea of learning is contrary to the vision of Ron DeSantis. Let’s ban educated teachers, too…. Oh wait! I forgot. DeSantis has changed the rules so you don’t need a college degree to teach anymore. Why stop there, Ron? How about we make high school diplomas optional for teachers as well.


This sure looks like fascism to me...


Didn't Nazi Germany do this? I guess we need more history books in schoo--- Oh wait.


DeSantis is such a piece of shit


It’s ironic that those most afraid of the power of ideas are the most susceptible to fascist propaganda.


Once again, the GOP proves it is the party of small government, free speech, and personal freedom.